Beware of Greeks bearing gifts
Doesn't seem to apply to Ireland though.
That is implied. The same goes when moving from Dublin to Cork.
Exactly. Just because we don’t enforce the rules, doesn’t mean they don’t exist.
What’s unbelievable about that? It’s exactly what most immigrants will try and do when they come to a new country.
Your point hasn’t flown over anyone’s head, it’s just been done to death numerous times in the thread already that while we do have immigration controls, they’re not in accordance with your standards. Nobody is surprised by that either, it’s reasonable to expect that everyone has their own individual preferences and expects that their preferences should be the standard by which everyone should be measured.
No it doesn’t. I can quit my job tomorrow and move to Cork, there’s no law that says if I can’t support myself that Cork can send me back to Dublin after three months if I need to go on the dole.
Maybe our impartial media decided for us that it was in our best interests not to report on it!
Laughable really, wall to wall coverage of Limerick hurler Kyle Hayes' row in a nightclub instead.
Wall to wall coverage? If you say so. However it was a bit more than just a row, and I’d be reluctant to associate his behaviour with his nationality or his ethnicity or suggest that it was because of any cultural influence that he was part of a mob that engaged in this sort of behaviour -
Mr Hayes, (25), was accused of having been part of a “mob” that “chased”, “punched”, “stamped” and “kicked” Cillian McCarthy, (24), during a “vicious and sustained attack” outside the Icon nightclub, Limerick City.
https://www.thejournal.ie/kyle-hayes-found-guilty-on-two-counts-violent-disorder-6238235-Dec2023/
We don't have immigration control, no documentation and still allowed to stay and no deportation. So we don't have immigration control. Unless you call being placed into a centre being able to appeal immigration control
There seems to be alot of things not being enforced. Maybe for the best, wouldn't want to seem racist and wouldn't look good for multiculturalism.
He broke into apartment, attempted to rape her and stabbed her 9 times , leaving her for dead vs a row in a nightclub.
Maybe our media was reluctant to report the case as we had enough bad news stories on Slovakians enriching us for November, eh?
All adds to the mix though apparently.
We have immigration control. The fact that Irelands immigration controls don’t function in accordance with your beliefs is really nobody else’s problem but your own. It’s pointless going over the same thing again and again.
When this thread was once hopping with discussion about multiculturalism, now it’s just become another immigration thread. Multiculturalism and immigration are not the same thing. Plenty of Irish people of different cultures have their own values, beliefs and traditions within their own communities - it’s what makes up Irish society. Ireland isn’t a monoculture, it never was, it never will be. You’re hanging for an idea which never existed in reality.
Does 60% of asylum seekers arriving with no passport raise any issues with you jack? It's no one else's problem only yours malinheader- certainly not villages getting 100 or so in their hotel, all adds to the mix!
Do you live in Ireland yourself by any chance jack?
https://www.rte.ie/news/primetime/2023/0216/1357159-over-60-of-asylum-applicants-at-dublin-airport-had-no-id/?shem=sswnst
The media reported on the case? Sure you’ve only to search for it and you’ll find it. Here’s an article in the Independent from last year-
https://m.independent.ie/regionals/kerry/news/teen-charged-with-stabbing-woman-during-attempted-burglary-in-tralee/41901120.html
Far more likely there was just greater media interest in the scumbag who imagines himself as something of a celebrity -
“If you want to go somewhere quiet or go out for some dinner, someone comes up to talk or get a photograph,” he told gardaí.
When gardaí asked if he felt that “people want to take you down”, Mr Hayes replied, “Sometimes”.
“Did that happen here (in this situation)?”, the gardaí asked, and he replied, “that’s part of it”.
Mr Hayes said he did not often socialize in public except for “only after big matches”.
Cillian McCarthy gave evidence last week that Mr Hayes confronted him earlier on the night inside Smyths Bar, on the ground floor of the Icon, and warned him to “stay the **** away” from two girls he was talking to.
Mr McCarthy said Mr Hayes became “aggressive” and asked him “do you know who the **** I am?”
https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/kyle-hayes-denies-attacking-man-after-limerick-nightclub-brawl-1558577.html
Everyone knows who the fcuk he is now! 😒
This is a rabbit hole of silliness. People do insane things everyday. Like quitting their job and moving to Cork from Dublin without a backup plan. They also move from Athens to Tralee and they may or may not have a backup plan either. So what? People move around looking for better opportunities, better lives etc. This is how the world works.
Some difference in the two cases. Doesn’t take Einstein to work out why one was reported widely and one was kept low key.
Migration within the EU is legal. Free movement was agreed.
Migration from outside the EU is illegal. Unless it is a tourist visa or a genuine highly skilled specialised occupation where there is a genuine shortage.
The two should never be compared.
If I went down the pub had one pint and drove my car home. It is legal.
If I weng down the pub had ten pints and drove my car home. It is highly illegal. No matter what legal aid was hired.
Migration from outside the EU isn’t illegal? 😳
The legality of whether you’re permitted to drive isn’t based on the amount of pints you can drink, it’s based on your level of intoxication (alcohol, drugs or both.., stay away from that Guinness 0% shyte 😂) which would render you incapable of being in control of the vehicle. Basically it’s not the amount you drink - it’s the level of alcohol in your system.
Basically it’s in their own interests that immigrants who enter the country illegally regularise their immigration status as quickly as possible. Otherwise they’re leaving themselves open to all sorts of exploitation, abuse and will come to the attention of the authorities eventually,
That proves that national media is complete trash and not to be trusted.
That article is absolutely shocking but fine by our government apparently.
So legally if you move from Athens to Cork, we, the taxpayers of Ireland, do not have to pay for you.
Theres no rabbithole, it’s EU law. We are paying bills we have no need to. It’s hardly rocket science
We do. An innocent man.
I never said that they did. What I did say is that as EU citizens we are free to move and live anywhere in the Union. As with anything in life, there are times when finances go sideways. It doesn't mean that we stay put wherever we are originally because things might go sideways.
Huh? We talking about the same fella?
Kyle Hayes - convicted on two counts of violent disorder:
The national media reported his arraignment six months ago, but not on his trial.
So this case was on their radar but they refused to report on the trial. Why do you think? Please don’t say “because they ran out of pages in their newspaper”.
Generally people doing this will have a pot saved before they do anything like that, I know your examples are within the EU but their rules still state you can't be a drain on welfare for longer than 3months (?) before they can send you packing. Young people going off to Australia /Canada etc have to have a fund or a job, money runs out they gotta come home.
The rules state that you can stay for three months under your own steam. If you need medical care you can produce your EHIC card at a public facility (rules and costs vary). If you want to stay longer as far as I know you have to show that you can support yourself.
The point I'm making is that if you get it into your head to move anywhere in the EU, you are free to do so. I don't know why this is causing such a furore. Irish people have been travelling and living all over the world for generations. Remember when we were refugees in the 19th century? That was fun wasn't it?
So, if Jimmy from Athens wants to live in Tralee, again I say, so what?!
It's a strange one alright, you'd imagine it'd be very topical in light of attacks on women.
A girl on her own in an apartment and a fella breaks in, sexually assaults her, stabs her in the neck and leaves her for dead- zero mention from any media outlets on her trial apart from radio Kerry n gript.
Maybe radio Kerry didn't get the memo!
Sorry, I'm still in Sunday morning mode guzzling my caffeine 😁 but I feel like it's all a little off topic. I understand your point we all have free travel within the EU, but despite what insults have been used towards the fictional 'far right' EU immigration has never been a problem, well to word it better any immigration, come here, support yourself, integrate.. Who cares, come make yourself at home. It's those coming in to be a drain on the system, no young people could leave here without a job or money set up elsewhere, no matter how impulsive it might be.
Irish did emigrate of course but had to work and integrate they weren't handed anything, so I don't feel that's a point you can make
There's nothing fictional about the Far Right - 'Vote for us so we can strip you of your rights brigade.'
Plenty of people left Ireland without two brass farthings in their pockets and couldn't speak english. They were refugees in the 19th century. How many more of us left since the foundation of the State - 1930's to the present day - how many were just looking for a better deal? Ireland in the 50's to the 70's? Yikes!
There is a distinction to be made between refugees and people who want to game the system. That said there will always be people who want to game any system. What irks me is the notion that everyone should somehow suffer because a minority game the system.
When I say fictional far right what I'm referring to is the labeling of the majority of the country as some kind of far right bogeyman, those who couldn't be classed as such and simply have genuine concerns. The centre no longer exists apparently and not agreeing with all of this makes you a far Right-er. Of course the actual Far right is real and have a lot of policies we wouldn't want to see in Ireland but with all the shutting down of debate it won't make it difficult for their views to take hold here.
If you can show me examples where the Irish have gone abroad and had everything handed to them for free, accommodation, welfare, health care, etc, I'll be happy to agree with your point.
There is no system in place to see the genuine cases from the scammers and that is on government policy, it is human nature to look after number one, the system is at failure here. I would see no problem with helping genuine cases temporarily until they get on their feet, provided they integrate of course, but the current system is a free for all
