What does the future hold for Donald Trump? - threadbans in OP

ancapailldorcha · 28-11-2023 10:56AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121427090#Comment_121427090

There were good articles in the BBC and the Economist recently detailing how the people around him are laying some serious groundwork. Basically, his incompetence foiled his first presidency so the American right are going to make sure that fascism characterises his second.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121427464#Comment_121427464

I'm inclined to disagree. I think we got lucky that there's a rump of American conservatism embodied in people like John McCain, Chris Christie and Mitt Romney. The US Supreme Court is a bit like a monarchy in that most Americans have no control over who gets appointed and once they're there, they're there for life.

randd1 · 28-11-2023 11:03AM

For the MAGA crowd, while they'll never be aware of it because they're simply indoctrinated into the cult at this point, there's a very real case of 'be careful what you wish for' in giving Trump the power to run roughshod over the US constitution. Not at first.

But the one thing that all authoritarians have in common, is that they hate the idea of being challenged.

I can see trump and his cronies destroying a fair bit of the US constitution and norms when he gets back in. It'll be a bloodbath in terms of democracy, votes won't matter, it'll be what his cronies in the courts say that matters. And the MAGA crowd will cheer it to the hilt.

And then he'll do, or whoever comes after him will do, something that the MAGA crowd don't really like. And Trumpism will make sure that those complaints are shut down. And there's no-one to stop them, because there's no voting in someone who can.

And then it might eventually get violent, which will see crackdown on that happening again. And there's no-one to stop them, because there's no voting in someone who can.

Autocrats can't stand threats. And the biggest threat to an autocrat is an armed population that can say what they want about them.

Trumpism is the biggest threat to their precious first and second amendments that they can possibly face, simply because it's very nature means that everything that isn't a cult member is an enemy, and any potential threats need to be removed. MAGA nation is just too thick to see it.

ghostfacekilla · 28-11-2023 11:15AM

It'll be interesting to witness the evolution (or devolution) of the GOP post Trump. Youngkin is most likely waiting for a post Trump run, and although he is conservative, he's not batshit and would be a great choice for the moderates. The trouble would be for him to convince the MAGA voters that he's their man, as we'll definitely see a Ramaswamy type candidate, copying the Trump playbook running against him. Youngkin could bring the GOP back towards the centre, and away from the chaos, but the gun toting, racist lunatics will still be left baying for blood as a hangover from the Donnie T years. A landslide for Biden in this election, which isn't impossible, as polls are largely irrelevant at this time of year, could upend the GOP for several elections if the Dems have a strong, unifying successor waiting in the wings. Harris is not anywhere near an ideal candidate, and I don't think America is ready for a female president, as they're more misogynist than they are racist. If the Democrats lose this election or even if it's closely contested, they obviously need new strategists.

Leroy42 · 28-11-2023 12:16PM

What is the actual basis for the 8 year limit? If Trump were to win in 2024, how likely is it that he could simply ignore the 8 year 'rule'?

sydthebeat · 28-11-2023 12:20PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121428040#Comment_121428040

It's the 22nd amendment in the constitution

pixelburp · 28-11-2023 12:27PM

Whatever about what Trump does if he wins, we can also be fairly sure if he loses we'll see the exact same stalling, court cases, blocking and overall attempts to derail democracy as was attempted in 2020. Maybe even worse than before given they can all now claim persecution and conspiracy two times over.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 28-11-2023 02:31PM

None of which worked last time and the world moves on. At least until 2028.

duploelabs · 28-11-2023 03:32PM

We all saw it Donnie

https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-oath-support-constitution-colorado-insurrection-1847482

Rawr · 28-11-2023 04:03PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121428085#Comment_121428085

Oh you can be certain of that. If Trump loses he’ll keep this pity party going as long as he can, preferably until 2028 if he can.

But therein lies the question; can he? Can he really keep the GOP onside for another 4 years? Can he survive the avalanche of trials that may deprive him of his businesses and maybe even his freedom?

The MAGA cultists will of course always support him, and will vote for him while he still draws breath. Some might even right him onto the ballot posthumously, they can be that foregone. The GOP will have to eventually decide if they are going to continue down the MAGA rabbit hole, or at least try to get some of the middle ground voters back. If Trump implodes or dies in the time between 2024 and 2028, they may find themselves stuck with a weird rudderless ideology that merely existed to flatter the ego of a selfish bell-end rapist, and that it done nothing to help them get moderate voters. Without Trump, the GOP Circus could devolve into the GOP Zoo, where extremists attempt to “out-Trump” each other in a destructive party civil war.

I don’t expect defeat 2024 to stop Trump, and I do expect him to just become louder. He’ll attempt Jan 6 again. He got away with it so far didn’t he, why not try again. Although this time they face an administration that won’t delay using the National Guard as long as possible. There will of course be all kinds of cheating and shenanigans with fake electors & attacks on voting places. The Vote itself will be pure hell for those running it, with scores of Lindell clones floating about trying to prove that China are hacking into voting machines and likely kicking off when they feel like it, further disrupting things. I hope they are preparing for all this nonsense.

Frank Bullitt · 28-11-2023 05:37PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121428085#Comment_121428085

Would he actually be physically able to do all of that again?

If he were to lose again, his "loyal" followers in the GOP will jump ship like rats.

everlast75 · 28-11-2023 05:54PM

https://twitter.com/jonkarl/status/1729508317557317665?s=20

Tens of millions to try and polish a....

scottser · 29-11-2023 10:30AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121427090#Comment_121427090

Trump will be assassinated before he reaches the white house again.

Quin_Dub · 29-11-2023 10:40AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121432098#Comment_121432098

By who exactly?

pixelburp · 29-11-2023 10:45AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121429619#Comment_121429619

It's debatable he's physically or mentally able to do again now, yet here we are. Trump will be one of those men who'll outlive a dozen other healthier, better human beings and the MAGA cult will be chanting his name as this decrepit and obviously senile octogenarian blathers on stage, thatched yellow hair and orange face only looking more obscene on his skeletal, sunken face.

duploelabs · 29-11-2023 10:51AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121432098#Comment_121432098

By the new world order, the reverse vampires, or the lizard people?

astrofool · 29-11-2023 11:01AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121432150#Comment_121432150

Cholesterol.

Agent Coulson · 29-11-2023 11:14AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121432150#Comment_121432150

KFC & McDonalds.

eightieschewbaccy · 29-11-2023 11:15AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121432098#Comment_121432098

Pretty sure the people who vote for him are the most likely lot to shoot somebody...

everlast75 · 30-11-2023 07:31AM

https://twitter.com/TrumpDailyPosts/status/1729838083531579543?s=20

I believe infrastructure week will occur shortly after this...

salmocab · 30-11-2023 08:09AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121436115#Comment_121436115

I had to look at the date on that, thought boards was acting up.

pixelburp · 30-11-2023 08:19AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121436115#Comment_121436115

Man I had to check the timestamp cos ... Donald. Donald. You had you chance to repeal Obamacare and you blew it. Spectacularly. You controlled all houses of government and still couldn't get a new bill through.

He really has nothing new to offer, does he? I thought maybe, he'd pivot to attack Biden's actual record but if he's banging on about Obamacare again? Ooof.

Penn · 30-11-2023 08:20AM

John Eastman having to eat into his wife's retirement fund to help pay his legal bills, because Trump isn't helping him out.

https://www.politicalflare.com/2023/11/lawyer-lost-everything-for-trump-now-he-must-use-his-wifes-retirement-to-pay-his-legal-bills-since-trump-wont-help/

He was never a good enough lawyer to be rich, but you don’t have to be that great to have some money, Eastman has basically none after all of his legal fees. And on the right-wing podcast Happy Hour with Julie and Liz, he said as much. He told his hosts that the defense fund he set up for people to contribute to had raised “less than a third of what we’ve already incurred and less than about a sixth or seventh of what we’re likely to incur before we’re done.”

“I’m trying very hard not to completely deplete my wife’s retirement fund,” said Eastman.

Igotadose · 30-11-2023 09:19AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121432166#Comment_121432166

"Trump will be one of those men who'll outlive a dozen other healthier, better human beings"

Like Henry Kissinger? Only the good die young, Kissinger a case in point. And Trump.

frag420 · 30-11-2023 11:41AM

Kissinger died yesterday…may he rot in pieces!

duploelabs · 30-11-2023 12:46PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121436994#Comment_121436994

They'll be dancing on the streets of Cambodia

francois · 30-11-2023 05:26PM

Gag order reinstated

Igotadose · 30-11-2023 06:00PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121438731#Comment_121438731

That'd be the NY Lawsuit gag order. The Insurrection case in DC gag order has not (yet, hopefully) been reinstated. With TFG one needs to be specific as to which case, what charges, etc., there are so many.