Aren't they going to replace those communist era sets in use on the core dart network?
Improved frequencies are planned for Dub-Galway and Dub-Belfast during 2024.
Woodbrook station officially underway now, had it's sod turning ceremony this morning
LOL.
the DD operated services are failing on a regular basis, how in god's name are they going to implement frequency increases on dublin belfast?
NIR while they can spare units for failure situations they do still have their own services to run and IE is in a capacity crisis.
The questioner was asking about the implications for the Intercity network.
Clearly yes the DARTs on order will also replace all of the older DART rolling stock.
Newer services will be provided by 22s, freed up with the newer intermediate carriages. I'd certainly make sure I was on one of those, rather than a DD.
highly likely but even with the new cars we still have serious capacity issues until dart+ is completely rolled out to the kildare/newbridge services, so i would be surprised if they will be able to do a belfast increase as well.
as it is now the belfast service is a joke and the new stock is a couple of years away.
Belfast increase is already planned. It’s not just a guess.
I'm just back from Italy, I traveled around by train. It was nice to see that on their trains, from the beautiful Frecciarossa to smaller regional trains, there were rubbish bins everywhere and cleaning staff on board the train.
Meanwhile the Dart... or the 22000 which have one or two bins per car
Is it really so hard to bring your rubbish with you?
no but it's good and proper practice for trains to have bins.
the grown up countries manage to have them so why not ireland.
Plenty of people leave their rubbish on the train even though there are bins they could use.
oh i know.
It's not exactly the case that the trains are overrun with a rubbish problem though...
sometimes they are unfortunately.
Well, it kind of is to be honest. Got off a train in Connolly today and there was cans and bottles of beer strewn all over a number of carriages. Clearly not Irish Rails fault, and cleaners were straight on after it arrived into the staton.
Absolutely - there is a not insignificant number of people who think it perfectly acceptable to leave rubbish behind on public transport.
People who leave their rubbish on a train aren't doing so due to a lack of bins, they'd do it regardless of the number of bins. A bin should be provided adjacent to each door and that would be enough, everybody then has to pass a bin on their way out so no excuses.
I think this conversation has run its course.
Terminating trains are, obviously, the point in time when they are most filled with rubbish, but that's also when they get cleaned. On a list of problems with Irish Rail, I would say that cleanliness is so far down the list as to not be worth mentioning.
That's incorrect. Trains are not always cleaned when they terminate. They go back into service without being cleaned.
Why should you have to? There are a large number of people in railway facilities and it makes sense to collect the rubbish there rather than have thousands of people carrying it around
Because other people shouldn't have to sit at a table with rubbish at it, just because you can't be bothered putting it in a bin at the end of the carriage.
I remember the last time i got the train, when we arrived in Hueston, gathering all my rubbish, taking it with me, and i passed the person clearing the train, and asking could i put my rubbish in his plastic rubbish bag, he seemed to find it stange that someone would clear out their own rubbish.
The cleaners do a decent job, but they don't clean after every service, as there's often tight turnaround times, and they can't clean during a service when people get off mid route and leave their mess behind.
45.5m journeys last year, 12.5m intercity (96% of pre-covid), 19.7m DART (91%), and 13.3m commuter (86%).
Also mentioned is that new dart carriages are to begin arriving from this summer, redevelopment of Galway Ceannt is to begin this month, and the passing loop at Oranmore is to go to planning soon. Different articles focus on projects in their county, does anyone have a link to the original press release.
How has it taken almost 3 years to get to submitting a railway order.
There’s also no mention of the Limerick-Limerick Junction double tracking proposal.
Interesting talk that was uploaded last year but I only came across it recently, apologies if it was posted in this thread already.
https://youtu.be/JCK8teu2ry8?si=I34xDVgnHnCSQrnX
I watched that last year. Good talk. Made me worried when he said we are kind of leading the way in terms of trying out hybrid battery electric trains. Not sure that's a good thing.
Updates provided by IÉ to transport committee last Wednesday
DART
SW RO imminent
Fleet design allows for toilets if required
All fleet on order for expansion, first will arrive Q2 2024
90% of pre-COVID passenger numbers
Freight
Procurement process for a new freight fleet nearly complete
Envisage freight only north of Claremorris
Reconnect the Port of Cork
Of potential freight demand, Jim Meade said “A supplier in the west is anxious to move two trains a week, as soon as we get it open, from the west to Foynes Port”, and also that “there is a large organisation in the mid-west which has asked us to please put its containers on our train”
Foynes complete late 25/early 26.
North
Project fourNorth for quad tracking northern line
Hourly enterprise from September to Belfast Grand Central
New Enterprise fleet of 8 trains business case submitted> contract late 25> new fleet in 2029.
Other
Airport spur could be completed in 5 years
New ICR carriages due for CRR Approval mid-Feb, will be for intercity routes (with demand exceeding pre-COVID across the board), as opposed to the original plan for commuter routes (demand recovered to 95-98%).
Appointing a design team for Navan line> late 25 for business case> RO in 26> 3-4 years of construction.
NTCC to open Q3 2025.
Intercity above pre-pandemic “We are particularly seeing that in the west of Ireland on the Galway, Sligo and Westport routes”
No funding for WRC rehabilitation.
Plan to lengthen platforms at Sixmilebridge, Craughwell, Ardrahan, and one of Gort’s, 2-3 years as “we are full all the time on the route”-Jim Meade
Limerick-Lim Jn study still underway.
Limerick-Ennis study due Sep/Oct.
Temporary platforms and service could be put in place for Ryder Cup.
Cork electrification decision not yet made, costed and will be done by 2030.
Within 3 months of moving to a half-hourly service on the Cobh-Midleton route, it had grown by 40%.
Barrow Bridge to be repaired and automated.
Move to North Quay station in Q2 2026.
I've tried searching online for some technical specifications of the new DART trains but have not found anything to date. Anyone know of a resource where I could find some specs?
Is this real projects or just more hopes and dreams stuff ?
I keep being told different stories on whether that Ryder Cup thing and the Dublin airport thing can or can't be done.
