We'll have to wait and see if the sky comes falling in
I give up
I am not resistant to this change. I am explaining something in a manner that everyone else appears to be capable of understanding. Your lack of comprehension is your problem.
Is that your guess or do you have anything concrete?
My guess is that it doesn't matter either way, any business impact will be adapted to and Ireland will increase its recycling rates and the world will keep on spinning.
Its like you are resistant to the change just for the sake of being resistant to the change
Do you think that every small regional bin collector has their own processing and recycling facilities?
They don't. They hand it over to the bigger firms. This business is gone for them forever.
If there's more than one recycling firm involved in the back end for re-turn I would be astounded.
I'm not saying this shouldn't happen, I'm just explaining (again and again, it seems) that it will not make your domestic recycling any cheaper, and may actually make it dearer.
Cutting the frequency isn't going to work either as the mass volume of domestic recycling will still exist
If you still can't understand this, I give up
If they were smart they'd extend the time between collections as there would obviously be no need to collect on the current cycle
So if they currently have a 2 week cycle to collect the recycle bin, just switch it to 4. Hey presto, reduced your collection costs
Again, why do you think waste companies won't be involved in dealing with waste?
Where do you think this waste is going to go?
If some waste companies won't be getting their piece of the pie, does that mean we shouldn't improve our recycling rates just to keep the status quo?
They'll still have to go to several thousand houses to collect the recycling that the scheme doesn't cover. Now they're not even getting aluminium cans from the trips,im sure they're delighted.
You're not quite getting this.
Domestic waste collectors will have zero involvement in this scheme. They currently make money from the cans they will no longer collect. More money than the delta cost of collecting them versus the rest of the bin they will still collect and get little to no value for.
They were very upset about it but it didn't stop the scheme
True, instead of having to go to several thousand houses, to collect, sort and process, they'll now have to go to maybe a dozen locations with the waste sorted already
Seems like a win-win to me
They won't be getting them for free on people's doorsteps, which is what's relevant to the cost of waste collection
Recycling firms made money from the cans so may put prices up instead.
Curious, why do you think the cans from this will not be going to recycling firms? Do you think its all destined for landfill?
Some choices benefit you, some benefit others, some make you look like a muppet
As you said, choices
Edit: "you" as in the general you, not you personally. Just want to clarify
Multipacks of bottled water becoming unviable is a positive
But you don’t know that you are just assuming that. Kids usually copy their folks anyway.
I know myself and my brother were talked to about plastic bags and not wasting them anymore after the levy (time was they’d be used and then either binned or used as a bin bag)
At least that makes it more convenient for people who buy a drink and is not immediately heading home. 3 options now - carry around your empty bottle all day undamaged and bring it home to claim your refund later or until you pass a participating store and get your deposit back there and then: generously fire it on the ground or in a rubbish bin undamaged so some enterprising person can pick it up and claim the deposit for themselves: or selfishly crush the bottle ensuring if you wont nobody else will claim the refund and toss it on ground or in bin. Choices, choices😂
You can return to any store or machine participating in the scheme. there is no requirement to return to the same location you purchased in
Dont understand why #5 is necessary. If someone buys a bottle of water in a Tesco store do they have to carry the empty around with them until they return home or walk around in circles until empty and drop it back to same store?
Everything done by app now. Cant an app be peovided which is scanned before entering bottles etc into rvm with credits added for each bottled inserted
so basically I'm correct in saying that we lose much of our household recycling service
Nope, that service stays the same. If you wish to use it for all recyclable containers you can do so, if you wish to avail of the DRS you can do so
the price paid for products will rise - hugely in some cases
Its a deposit, nothing more
many families will end up keeping huge bags of containers lying around, and for many, the only practical solution to giant bags of cans is to bring them by car to return them?
Evidence and experience from the continent shows otherwise. Containers emptied between one trip to the shops to the next, are redeemed during the next trip. Nobody hoards containers, why you think they would is strange.
the only practical solution to giant bags of cans is to bring them by car to return them?
Again, evidence and experience shows otherwise. Nobody needs to change their mode of transport for a shopping trip because of this, why you think they would is strange.
Acknowledged re voucher being refundable for cash but please stop misinterpreting the rest - so basically I'm correct in saying that we lose much of our household recycling service (and are unlikely to have a reduction in charges for this), the price paid for products will rise - hugely in some cases, many families will end up keeping huge bags of containers lying around, and for many, the only practical solution to giant bags of cans is to bring them by car to return them?
Consumers may return containers to a retailer that takes them back over the counter (manual), or through the use of a a Reverse Vending Machine (RVM). If returning to an RVM, you must insert all Re-turn drinks containers as instructed and you will then be issued with a voucher which may be redeemed at the till. *It is important to note that vouchers issued from an RVM must be redeemed at the same retail outlet.
PET plastic drinks containers, steel and aluminum cans between 150ml and 3 litres that show the Re-turn logo are accepted. They will need to be empty, undamaged and the barcode needs to be clearly legible. Remember, all drink containers included in the scheme will feature the Re-turn logo.
Not all drinks containers are eligible for Deposit Return. No dairy products are included in the Scheme. Eg. Milk, yogurt drinks. These containers will not have a Re-turn logo, but should still be recycled.
You will have the choice to receive your refund against a store-bought purchase or in cash.
So they still want you to use your green bin to recycle dairy product bottles. You can't squash them which seems ridiculous before you bring them back. If you bring them back to somewhere like Aldi you have to put them into the machine one by one and then take your voucher to the till get your money. Surely there's a smarter way of issuing a refund than this? It's such a poorly thought out scheme.
I didn't think I'd have to make it clear, but here goes. I pick up non-crushed cans on the street. For recycling. And bottles.
What is so difficult that Ireland screws up everything that should be easy?
here in the states I bring back cans to the retailer, they count them and give you back 5cents per can/plastic bottle etc.
its not fecking rocket science.
you bring them while shopping, all cans are accepted. The only requirement is that they are cleaned.
Huge increase in cost of own brand drinks etc - 12 x 500ml water in Aldi is now €3.15, this will rise to almost €5 with the scheme.
Correct, which will be redeemed once you return the containers
Can't squash the containers so have to keep big bags of bottles/cans lying around the house.
Well you can, you just won't be able to scan the barcodes. Its a personal choice as to what you do.
Big bags of containers will be impracticable for many to bring to shop via public transport / walking / cycling thereby incentivising car travel.
I'm scratching my head at this one. Are you saying that full containers, plus all other shopping, are practical to bring by any mode except the car, but only the empty containers require a car??
You only get a voucher back for the shop you've brought the containers to.
No, you get a voucher back for containers with the correct barcode (which should be virtually all of them). The voucher can be exchanged for cash. You do not need to return a container back to the same store as the system is based on the barcodes. So long as the container has the Re-Turn logo, its barcode will allow for a refund regardless of the location you return to
Been traveling over and back to Germany a bit recently due to a partner having a work contract there
Where are the others? 😂
I know all about the plastic bag levy, I was around for its introduction. Adults changed their habits overnight, I'm not talking about adults here. I know that 10c (edit sorry, it's 15c) means nothing to kids these days. Anyway we'll see, but this scheme won't stop kids from dumping cans on the street imo.
Am I correct in the following when the scheme starts:
What an unworkable counterproductive fiasco! Even the Greens in Scotland - who make our own shower look sane - have been shamed into dropping the Scottish version of the scheme despite it being one of their headline deliverables.
Not really, we've prior experience with this with the plastic bag levy. No idea what age you are, but I remember the amount of them thrown all over the place before the levy which changed virtually overnight. You'll still find the odd one, but not many
The same will be true in the DRS. Even more so for kids as its free pocket money. The same thing has played out in every location where DRS has been rolled out, Ireland will be no different
We'll have to wait and see. There are kids that will throw whatever they have in their hands on the ground, even if there is a bin near. Kids like that won't care about carrying an empty can around to get 10c back. It'll go on the ground just like before.
You won't see many cans thrown around though. They are no longer worthless
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