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"Green" policies are destroying this country

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  • Posts: 15,801 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I'm not familiar with the issue in Wicklow from forestry, can you elaborate?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 843 ✭✭✭m2_browning


    Top of the morning!

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    Nuclear France - 70g https://app.electricitymaps.com/zone/FR

    Wind Ireland - 493g

    Yes that’s 143MW out of 6300MW wind doing **** all of anything when we need 5826MW this morning

    when we build another 37GW (at a cost of hundreds of billions every 25 years) we still be fucked because something multiplied by nothing is still nothing

    In meantime there is not a single day of year when we are greener than nuclear wasteland that is France



  • Posts: 15,801 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    The EPA highlighting very poor numbers for recycling, honestly this was a surprise, I thought we were doing much, much better than this

    RTE news : EPA: Ireland not on track to meet EU recycling targets





  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,922 ✭✭✭paddyisreal


    shocking another failure under Eamon Ryans watch, same as mcentee the buck rests with him.



  • Posts: 15,801 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Will be interesting to see what impact the deposit return scheme has on the figures. That's kicking off next Feb. All my nearest supermarkets already have the machines in place



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 843 ✭✭✭m2_browning


    How many aluminium and steel cans does one need for a single windmill?

    oh let’s see

    —-

    A single 3-MW wind turbine needs:

    • 335 tons of steel
    • 4.7 tons of copper
    • 1,200 tons of concrete (cement and aggregates) [~600 yards]
    • 3 tons of aluminum
    • 2 tons of rare earth elements
    • aluminum
    • zinc
    • molybdenum


    37,000 of offshore wind would require 12,333 3MW turbines

    we would have to recycle form now until the heat death of the universe to build this nonsense every 25 years at a cost of hundreds of billions and still need gas and coal for long stretches of time



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,660 ✭✭✭✭machiavellianme


    I haven't been to a supermarket shop in 4 years. I wonder how their online delivery will support this? Surely it can't be simpler than popping items in the green bin? It just seems like another needless gimmick to drive revenue as folk inevitably just give up on the extra effort.

    Part of the reason for the failure to adopt large scale recycling is probably the cost of the green bins. Since it stopped being free, I see less take up.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,416 ✭✭✭roosterman71


    Yes. Part of the EPA map in Wicklow was an area with no derogation farms, and is a forest. Leitrim is the same although to be fair, all of Leitrim is designated "red" on the map and the county just has 1* farmer in derogation. The opposite is also true where parts of Waterofrd and Kerry are excluded despite having many more derogation farmers.

    Even the anti agriculture group An Taisce have questioned the "one size fits all" approach

     Additionally, there are areas up north, for example in Roscommon, which according to the EPA’s best science, won’t benefit as much from nitrate reduction measures, as phosphate is the issue in many of these areas.

    * That's according to 2021 figures. There were 2 applications listed but only 1 submitted



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,457 ✭✭✭SharkMX


    I like natural beauty. Its getting very scarce lately and windmills are a total eyesore.



  • Posts: 15,801 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Numbers from the continent show recycling rates of 90%+ on average where DRS are in operation so it does work.

    Same as plastic bag levy stopped people throwing plastic bags everywhere.

    These things work



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,088 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo


    The bigger eye sore in Ireland is the McMansions built in every area in Ireland. If you like natural beauty then I would think that would be a bigger concern that windmills?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 843 ✭✭✭m2_browning


    Barakh nuclear plant in UAE (which hilariously is hosting COP) took 24.4$ billion to build by Koreans on time and budget and is on area about 800m per square side most of which is car parks

    one of these would power the country unlike the 6.3GW of wind which has carpet bombed our countryside and is literally doing next to nothing today



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,416 ✭✭✭roosterman71


    That is a surprise. In 2020 my bin company started charging for recycling bins. It was free up to that point. I'm surprised the government allowed the change seeing as recycling numbers aren't being met.

    This line in the mail informing of the new introduced rates was a good one

    Unfortunately, sustainability comes at a cost but AES Bord na Mona will continue to seek new opportunities to develop better solutions for a more sustainable environment.

    It certainly does come at a cost and no new opportunities have been forthcoming. Though price rises have bounded along yearly with the recycling charge increasing by 41% since it's introduction and general waste by 12% in the same timeframe. Still cheaper to separate waste into recycling and organic but the gap is closing



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,457 ✭✭✭SharkMX


    Totally agree. Saw a nuclear power station in the UK. It had less visual impact on the environment than all the windmills all over the horizon a few miles down the road.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,457 ✭✭✭SharkMX


    They are charging us for the brown bins now since last year. Neighbor got in astro turf and bark chips to replace their grass. Fine big garden too. Said between the grass cutting, hedge trimming and other gardening activities it was easier and cheaper in the long run to go low maintenance instead. Only so much mulching it can take before it becomes moss. My parents are looking into going the same way now too.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,557 ✭✭✭ginger22


    The more information coming out the more nonsensical the plan appears. Yet they still persist with their dream.

    Think I will buy that back up generator after all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 673 ✭✭✭Coolcormack1979


    I’m on a farm and have the rubbish bin and 2 recycling bins.up to 2020 I was getting away with a flat yr charge of about €360 for bin collection.now it’s costing about 900€ a yr now for collection and I’m always on the lookout for swapping companies.

    and the amount of waste being collected is about 1.2 ton in the black bin and about 600kg of recycling stuff.them figures haven’t changed in the past 4 years.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,416 ✭✭✭roosterman71


    Just to quote myself, it's expected that fertiliser prices will fall again next year. I've been watching a presentation at the Teagasc Outlook conference and they are saying a 35% price drop. This, coupled with the need for extra fertiliser on derogation farms, could see sales of chemical fertiliser increase next year. I say could see, but I'd nearly bet that it definitely will see an increase



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,760 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    ...once again, how do we move towards a nuclear option, when theres legislation in place preventing it! you can sit on the internets, bitch and moan about it, but if you dont change these facts, you may forget about it!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 843 ✭✭✭m2_browning


    By getting the green numpties to follow their comrades in other EU countries and embrace nuclear instead of continuing to agitate against modern science and technology

    Even St Greta has seen the light Cherenkov radiation



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,760 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    ....and once again, this isnt just a greens issue, noting, im a greeny myself, but a much bigger societal and political issue, its extremely immature to ultimately blame us greenies.....

    ....the policies in question were implemented in the 90's under the governments of that time, of which the greens played no part in!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,088 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo


    "green numpties" what are you talking about?

    The issues in Ireland is around planning as I have pointed out numerous times. Plus you have not a single party in Ireland running based on nuclear. Quit with this nonsense posting about greens etc and ignoring the actual issues.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,088 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo


    Don't expect any actual answers to the above. Even a simple question like name a party in Ireland which is running based on nuclear is ignored. Plus what location is this fantastic nuclear plant getting built in?

    A lot of noise on this thread about nuclear but just noise



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 843 ✭✭✭m2_browning


    There used to be a time when much bigger issues in Ireland such as abortion, divorce and gay marriage were taboo subjects

    until they were not

    But the fact remains, the self confessed “environmentalists” on this thread repeatedly argue against nuclear science and technology as it would actually help solve climate change (can’t have that as then they would be exposed for cow hating numpties they are) unlike their uncosted ultra expensive fantasies about carpet bombing our country and seas with unreliable wind generators and non existent hydrogen storage and transport tech (also uncosted)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,039 ✭✭✭PommieBast


    Looks like New Zealand's new incoming government is ditching their ban on oil/gas exploration.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,088 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo


    What did I say, ignore the question and go off on some ramble about I actually don't know what.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 843 ✭✭✭m2_browning


    The fact that you don’t even want to discuss solutions to climate change shows exactly why the closed minds of environmentalists is what needs to be changed first.

    You lot shout about climate change being the largest problem the world faces after cow farts and SUVs 😂 yet when actually someone tries to engage you in debate that involves maths, science, economics and engineering facts you close your ears like some sort of Covid denier and sing lalala



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,088 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo


    This is just nonsense. If you read my posts I have said we should cull the national herd. I didn't say anything about SUV apart from most SUV's are not SUV and crossovers.

    I am stating facts about nuclear. Yet all we get back is these rambling posts from the same few calling people "eco warriors" or whatever word they seen today on X as if that is a proper way to debate a topic.

    What has covid got to do with anything? more nonsense

    So again, maybe you can answer this time, which party in Ireland is running based on nuclear power?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,759 ✭✭✭KildareP


    Show me a political party that won't amidst frequent extended blackouts and/or insane energy prices in comparison to our global neighbours, with no other solution if rolling back on oil/gas limits is off the table. Blaming datacentres will only get you so far before people start asking what your longer term plan is.

    After all, the apparent problem to more renewables is the planning system, and the oft-proposed solution is to modify the rules such that renewable generation can in effect fast-track or otherwise bypass the planning process. Well, what's sauce for the goose and all that...



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,760 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    ......and once again!!!

    ...please explain to us how we deal with these legislations on the matter, preventing the mere investigations of such an industry in this country!

    1999 Electricity Regulation Act

    2006 Strategic Infrastructure Act

    please be as specific as possible in your answer?

    Thank you



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