They keep harking on about the amount of players he capped. From my understand he didnt cap may more than mon etc.
They always fail to mention the amount of games he lost against poorer teams. Like thats not had luck. Its poor management.
He was lucky to last as long as he did. A spoofer.
OTB will go to town on the new manager as soon as things get difficult. SK has normalised failure and the young players have bought into it. Scary stuff.
I couldn’t believe what I was hearing on Saturday afternoon - they had a sort of sorrowful wake for Stephen kenny and raking over the ashes of how things went so wrong for him.
Lots of depressed sighs and almost crying over how it didn’t work out for him...
They read out texts along the lines of “OTB was wrong in backing SK, he failed, get over it” and by god was there a narky, bad tempered attitude from them over it.
That one they have on Sundays, Anne -Marie or something has atrocious diction. It’s a staccato delivery that is harsh on the ears. Throughly unsuited to radio. Apparently minimal knowledge of most sport also. You’d wonder how she got the job?
I wouldn't be surprised if part of the reason that he's still on is because of how he left RTE.
I remember at the time he went on OTB within a couple days of RTE announcing that he wouldn't be returning with them and John said how it was RTE's choice and that he was keen to continue but they weren't interested.
I remember thinking at that time that he was going to be on OTB as long as he wanted after that because Nathan definitely allowed John to let off some steam about feeling hard done by.
I still like him, mostly for nostalgia reasons to be fair but I also like the no nonsense approach that he suggests football and football management can be. There's no shortage of the analysis by death pundits and at the end of the day, it's all just subjective opinions.
I'm surprised they haven't transitioned his slot in to a magazine type piece where he discusses things outside of recent match analysis. As others have said, during Covid, he did a couple of pieces on legendary teams of old and they were entertaining.
It's a big assumption to make that the subs model isn't working for them.
How long until the lads climb down on the subscription?
I think they'd have got away with 4 euro a month. Really poor research and decision making to go 10 across the board. It'll finish them.
Michael McCarthy will have to go. Really tough to listen too.
Someone mentioned David Connolly earlier in the thread for being terrible. What was the context to that?
I'm not a subscriber but look a few of the short clips on YouTube these days, is Ger on leave for personal reasons? Presume he wouldn't be taking 2 weeks off this time of the year.
People notice John’s obvious mistakes.
Have people not noticed that he sees the entire game through the prism of his own position? If a player takes the ball off the back 4 like John did and playmake they are a “proper midfield player”, if they play more advanced on the pitch or are just a defensive holding midfielder, John refers to them dismissively.
it’s quite funny that he can only see the game through his own position and any other positions don’t measure up
Exactly!! Agree with this and what an earlier poster said about the current crop just constantly quoting stats. If you are listening to John for cutting edge insight then you are listiening to the wrong thing. The slot is there so we can hear a player from a totally different era, but basically the same game, make comparisons to todays game and how it is so different.
The man is a national hero, and by jesus we shall miss him when he is gone!
I'll level with you... I was very hungover when posting that. I meant to say people were gloating every time we lost as soon as Kenny took over.
Giles is knocking on a bit and is a bit forgetful but I still like the slot. There's a bit of nostalgia to it which is nice.
I'm not sure you used the word gloating correctly. Were people stating he wasn't good enough? Every manager should be given a chance. It turns out those posters were correct with their statements though. It's a pity we had to go through almost 4 years of wasted time with Kenny. We don't even have a play off for the Euros to look forward to. That's how bad it's been under Kenny. We're miles behind where we were when he took over, that's how you measure the performance of a manager and the bar was already quite low when he took over.
Exactly, he shouldn't be compared to the stat bots who often just recycle the opinion they've heard elsewhere in the 24/7 world of podcasts and fan channels. Mostly quite boring.
I don't think John was ever known for doing a whole pile of research, even when he wasn't long retired. Dunphy and Giles featured as a double act in Dermot Morgan's "Scrap Saturday". Any time Giles was asked for a comment, all he ever said was " Great player, great player" 😊
Some of his observations are very interesting, I have to say - but the game he played has very little relevance to the "product" the modern game has been turned into
I'd get a ban if I was honest....but even in its current state I'd rather 25mins be spent waffling to John than some of the topics that are being discussed. I agree with all the criticism but they are obviously due to the age of the man. If you want cutting edge there are plenty options.
Johnny turned 83 earlier this month, not up to speed on the current game, understandably forgetful on names etc. The Thursday slot will hopefully finish up sooner rather than later, wouldn't like to hear Johnny struggling any more than he may be at the moment
Odd comment to make considering you literally had people gloating in the ROI thread about Kenny not being good enough as soon as he was appointed.
johnny does zero research for that slot. If. he hasn't. seen a player/gam recently on the telly, he has very little to contribute. It has always been thus.
Again, no genuine insight into the game and he frequently either can't remember or pronounce players' names. It just comes across as really unprofessional. Nathan does indeed sound bored of his yanzie talking to Johnny.
It depends on who interviews John, Nathan appears to just go through the motions. Regardless, it's still a more interesting segment for many than some of the other topics discussed.
Johnny has been like this for years, he prefers to go back to the 70s and tell anecdotes of Leeds, Don Revie and Clough.
He uses catch all general phrases like player x or manager y is not “doing the business” - a lot.
However, any time he is asked about the “John Giles Foundation” and its connections with Delaney era FAI, Gilesy immediately goes on the defensive and gets very waspish.
People should have a read of Mark Tighe’s pieces on the Giles Foundation - very odd arrangements...
He's woeful and he's on the Saturday football show quite a bit unfortunately.
The problem is that these Kenny supporters will be out in force if/when we get bad results with our next manager. Some will actually hope it goes wrong for them. It really has been a poisonous few years following Ireland and listening to the absolute crap of how great Kenny was doing despite what we were seeing with our own eyes. Well we're now down to 60th in the World rankings, some of our best emerging players in a generation have been brought into a losing culture, bereft of confidence where excuses for failure and poor performances were accepted.
The new manager has some tough job turning it around. It can't get worse than Kenny but expect Off the ball and his other media pals to be on the back of the new manager from day 1.
Absolute farce over the last few days. Kenny was a complete and utter failure and they are still making excuses. Cancelled the subscription after listening to that sh*te.
Richie was very grumpy this evening and as for the clown from Clare he just wants everyone to move on and kenny is still hard done by .the fanboys in otb are gutted that they’ve been found out again
Giles is poor nowadays and has been for 10 years.
Anyone hear David Connolly last Sun afternoon he was hilariously bad
Saw some short clip on youtube where Richie McCormack seems to be trying to make us all feel sorry for Stephen Kenny now and how his departure was handled.
Kenny was getting paid €500k per annum , he's pretty much set for life now financially and and you might feel some degree of sympathy for Kenny if he wasn't so whiny and tried to blame everyone else bar himself for the team being so rubbish . The fact that the media in general have been so protective of Kenny shows that deep down they know he's not very good and never was good enough because if they thought he had the requisite qualifications to be the manager they wouldn't be so patronizing towards him.
Listening to Johnny Giles is a bit of a car crash nowadays. Its like NT keep him on as a charity case because he offers little insight into the game. He really should just hang it up at this stage.
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