It amazes me how people know what's been given for what for how long, how many cows , even bringing their martial status into it. Must be slow news day in your areas. Let them at it, who gives a fook
Does the highest bidder not have a come back there on that ?
still fair hunger for land around us and we’re not in an intensive dairy area
I do tend to agree with you whelan
..but number one it really affects me and my business
Number two every auctioneer worth his salt makes sure to tell everyone about the dearest price possible.
Number three people love news. It's what has happened since Time began
You would think he has,Wouldn't know the ins and outs of that. Maybe the auctioneer told the highest bidder that the neighbour outbid him. I don't know to be honest
The auctioneer just has to get the best deal for the client. The client/vendor can just decide what is the best deal for them. There is no onus on any vendor to go with the highest bidder. There is an onus on the auctioneer to relay the highest bid to the vendor.
What contracts are been signed in these situations where scenarios can occur like the above it's mind boggling, any share milking arrangements should realistically involve the owner getting a % share of milk cheque monthly and the lad leasing the place works away without any meddling from said owner, once he's meeting promised prefromance metrics on litres/solids sent
A few here the same as well.
I was talking to a man last week that has just given over €500 for a block of land joining him and he has to reseed it, paddock it and put in water troughs before it’s any use to him. Around 30 acres in it.
I'm reminded of what a cousin said to me before. He bought a LESS machine with a neighbour and they were sharing it a few years ago. But there was a bit of tension creeping in between them, so he sold out his share to the neighbour and bought his own.
After that sharing/contract episode, he decided, "Partners are only for dancing."
In fairness the scenario where 300 cows had to be pulled out of a yard in a day should never happen, a contract milking situation where one party provides cows/labour etc and the other party provides infrastructure/land etc should be pretty seamless once everyone involves stays in their own wheelhouse and doesn't interfere with the other party, without knowing the specifics of either story I'd say labour our poor quality labour combined with lack of it is the horents nest in these situations of second units
Have the right cow number 1 or breed for her. Early May silage. Feed either maize or whole crop on the shoulders . 1.2 \1.5 tonne of good quality nuts. It's not the rocket science people would have you believe
Totally agree thats the system im heading at 6.5 last year wholecrop wil get me another 1k along with earlier silage The reason alot of first is poor is people need bulk and cut later
No sign a lesser lease and sue original tenant for the losses incurred. Say 150/ acre on 3 years left on 40 acres. 18k plus new auctioneer fees and legal fees for the new lease, advertising etc 20k and add in cost of litigation
But can you honestly see the landowner getting that? And the hassle and cost of solicitors and all it entails if the landowner goes down that route?
+.I d have no problem taking on ground that someone else through up because they couldn't pay the agreed rent but I wouldn't touch it if there was a legal element going on with with the previous Tennant. Recipe for heartache
I can't see how a legally binding contract is not possible to enforce. Is there any law there like...
Might be too soon to ask you but where do you see the time savings have come from.you might need 1 few weeks more to really see it.
Used to have to run cows down to old parlour from new shed. Saving of 15 minutes before and after milking there. Acrs are great, we had them in old parlour but they haven't worked this years. Can walk away and automatic washer will do it's thing. The fact we're milking 24 in a row rather than 15 too. Not having to empty jars is a good time saver
Agree with you. However I think there were 600 cows total, so presumably the landowner provided half, which complicates things a bit.
A bit of advice I got was it is very hard to make a share farming agreement work with landowner who was not previously a dairy farmer.
Would be easier to deal with someone who knows nothing about the job rather than just a little bit - Dunning-Kruger effect I think they call it.
No it's up to the landowner they don't have to accept the highest bid
The owner realised that he couldn't make ends meet payment wise and asked for a bit more of the money coming in. The farmer told him that he could keep the lot and gave his notice on the spot right there and then. Now to my mind that's a lad who was looking for a way out with a while
And even then 🤣👏👍
Legally binding contract, open and shut case. Where it gets nasty is collecting a payment order. However refusal to pay adds more and more cost to the action. It's often no matter how much the loss is to see put a contract.
You wound probably not know until you signed the contract. No new contract makes the losses through legal action for original co tract even more..
I am always of the opinion that Business is business. If a lad over charges, I say up and do not use him again. But I never make a song and dance as you do not know when you may need him again.
If you sign a contract it's a contract if you cannot manage the payments then you should have considered that before hand
If you cant deal with lad with a hand shake dont think youll deal with him through solictors ,
200 in the hand worth 500 in the bush
That made me chuckle, because there is a video of him on Youtube, saying he got his accountant to look at it and he said it was a good idea
what could possibly go wrong?
Depends on the landowner. It might be your neighbour, or it might be an "investor" who bought land because they heard of the great 500 Euro tax free per acre prices and is now hurting that the interest rate on the portion they borrowed has shot up.
Now that you mention it, a few of us were wondering behind the scenes as to why you put two spoons of sugar into your tea last Thursday morning rather than the usual one?
Budgets where probably done at a milk price no lower than low 40's base, of course we all know what happened since, good family friend is share milking with his son on a 200 acre block, that their was a falling out on similar to the above but alot nastier, they took on the lease, arrangement is land owner provides half the cows and milking platform/infrastructure and he gets 20% of gross milk cheque....
With the rapidly falling milk prices land owner your referring to thought he was going to be getting 100k a year at the start and would of been lucky to scrap 65k the way the year turned out, would of maybe made bank repayments and noting else
When lease ends land owner gets back the original number of cows he provided to the unit, via a bingo type system where 180 balls with cows tag numbers are put into the tumbler and each man takes his pick till all balls are drawn, the previous tenant pulled out and took all the cows with him, including your man's, got nasty and went to the high court, he won but when he went to get his cows the other party had them gone to the factory
If one was to put the shoe on the other foot and consider if that lease was on a commercial premises like a pub, restaurant, industrial unit etc I doubt the lessee could renege on their commitment freely unless they liquidate / their company.
Having said that and mindful that it is farm land I concur with @K.G. that most farmers wouldn't touch it although we all know stories of other farmers grabbing land that banks sold.
It's wise to learn from other people's mistakes! (whilst letting them off to took).
He might have the makings of a country and western hit there...
Or maybe "You picked a fine time to leave me Louise" covered that...
