Israel/Palestine Thread

I think you could be exaggerating/doom-mongering there somewhat ("Game Over!"/"F-cked!")?

Just another sday with a y in it, poor "Europe" is always about to be "f-cked" ...(excl. UK perhaps - Brexit and Boris Johnson have made the UK Great Again! 😛)

Collective punishment on a village of women and children for the actions of rebels?

That's a war crime.

Eh

Fcuked is the right word for it.

Thanks for the map. Don't know ins and outs of the oil trade by sea

I still think belief that the Iranian proxies (or perhaps even Iran itself) are going to [easily] be able to shut down the Suez canal, and that will be "game over"/"Europe f-cked" etc. etc., is doom mongering.

If they are mad enough to try it, I think it likely there will be a wider war in the ME again (the US will be dragged in).

30% of global LNG exports depart from the gulf, 50% of that goes to Europe through Suez. In rough terms today it means the loss of 3 Nord stream pipeline supplies which is impossible to replace.

20% of global oil exports which means 8 million barrels a day to Europe which is eight times the global production cuts Saudi did earlier this year which is impossible to replace.

Add in all trade from Asia to Europe and vice a versa totally screwed with just in time supply chains waiting 3 months longer for parts and things.

UK screwed also as 30% of gas comes from the gulf as well as oil and everything else which means they they have a massive shortfall and need to totally cut exports which effects others even more.

Then you get into the price implications = screwed.

So it is important to trade.

Unless it's somehow damaged extremely badly, I cannot see how Iran's friends or even the Iranians themselves are going to be able to keep it closed for very long (by actions like you suggested, attacking ship(s) transiting or seeding a minefield - would have thought they'd be seen quickly enough doing latter too).

If it was such a "game over" winning move to cripple the Great and all the Little Satans of the West + economically hurt the Sunni Gulf states/Saudi, the Mullahs would have done it years ago I think. They haven't, because they look down the road to what might happen next.

IMO all (well main thing, apart from causing economic disruption you've been talking about while it is closed) it would do is start a bigger war, similar to what would happen if Iran or friends under their direction launch a serious attack on Israel (they haven't done that either).

edit: I suppose this began from a discussion of escalations which is fair enough i.e. what might happen after if US bombed/attacked the Houthis etc.

Trying to block up the canal would be a big escalation, and would anger an awful lot of countries.

Probably even the Arab oil producers would not be too displeased to see the US start waging war in the ME yet again (on Iran and its proxies) if they start running amok and threatening to destroy their trade.

Ah don't mind brickster69, he likes to flood a thread with doomsday links with lots of ,"maybe" and "what ifs, the west is doomed and all that type of stuff, proper THE SKY IS FALLING .

Pay no heed

The existence of a 40 year tunnel under the hospital was literally common knowledge : "Al-Shifa is the largest hospital in the Gaza Strip; it was originally a British army barracks, but converted into a hospital in 1946. In the 1980s, Israel built a bunker and tunnel network underneath the hospital." (Wikipedia).

The tunnel entrance itself is of significant size and exhibits signs of significant age.The transition from the drone going down with a different camera light and a central marker in the middle to another camera is very odd. The change in lighting between the two shots is particularly noticeable, with a significant difference in brightness.This shift in camera quality raises questions about the authenticity of the presented content.

The drone footage has captured what could be an entrance to a tunnel or sewer system near the hospital. The switch to a different scene is curious. This one is for the conspiracy forums.Due to the fact that only a drone can get inside the tunnel, why is the footage changing? Does the footage need to be consistent throughout be real?

No we just need to see the secret lair

But it was widely reported in the media last week that the Israelis themselves had built a tunnel under the hospital in 1983 (and the one in the video does look 40 years old).

Think it's a dog with a camera on it's back, looks to be a muzzle being taken off at the start.

The video presented a tunnel that appeared to be real. It depicted a tunnel with no other content except a door at the end. However, there was no indication in the video of Hamas headquarters, as claimed by Israel. The video ended abruptly at the door, Is it an old tunnel i cant say?

Another one but not quite sure what they are on about.