They will need to develop a younger keeper who can kick long or short. Bannon a good servant for a long time but it's an area which has been exploited before.
One stupid decision after another. Poor sportsmanship on the line ball twice turned it into a throw up and, even after that, just catch the ball, why punch it in your own square? Had Casey caught the ball, it’s game over.
There’s no glorious loss in that to be honest. Defeat snatched from the jaws of victory. It’s a real sucker punch.
It’s a real pity because it would have been fantastic to have all three Cavan teams win their games.
That's probably a bit harsh. They lost the game in a split second. They certainly didn't choke, quite the opposite IMO.
They made errors that resulted in them being down double scores at half time and fought back against a famously defensive side to lead with time almost up.
A moment of being stupid or trying to be too cute at the the end with the sideline cost them.
Exactly, very bad awful lot of fluting about.
They simply Browned the togs.
Some bit off messing there from Gowna after doing all the hard work to throw it away in the end.
Can you just pay for the gowna game or do you have to get the full pass?
I see you can, it’s €15 mind not chape
I don’t know if it’ll get a big crowd of neutrals with the weather.
I'll go the games as handy to see both teams in Breffni. Conor Brady went off in County final and unlikely to start. He probably would have picked up Ciaran Thompson, a quality footballer.
Bit the bullet and paid €70 for the ulster Gaa club championship pass. hopefully the cavan sides progress in their competitions and it will be worth it.
Clubber might have the Gowna game.
Gowna will have a go but NC are very defensive. Cavan club football is mostly open but the styles in other Ulster counties can be a hard watch.
Added in with it being played on a cold November day.
What options are there to view the Gowna Game? ulster Gaa have it. Does any of the other platforms?
Thanks
A juvenile team normally trains for the year together. You’d be training a team and probably have your 16 year olds getting very little game time through League due to 18 year olds being there and then suddenly the 18 year olds are gone.
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If you're going to quote me pal quote the whole lot. That's not it all and not the context of what I said. We starting losing games after promotion from making changes, yes as it happens bringing older players back, but to be expected and no harm if it was to improve the team for championship. Killian Brady, Jack McKenna, Conor Moynagh and Cian Brady got starts if I recall game 6. Again for the forth time now, nothing wrong with that and in fact it was the right thing to do seeing we were already up. But there was nothing in the results that followed justified the change in selection for game v Armagh.
I referenced the promotion games in part because on WAC I seem to remember the lads being utterly at a loss as to how we suddenly, from playing so purposefully and transitioning the ball so well in our promotion charge, we looked such a different team and out of sorts v Armagh. Niall Caralon and Tiarnan Madden were huge in improving our transition forward with purpose and speed coupled with lads like Boylan and O'Neill showing at every opportunity and fighting to win ball. That's what transition is, it's not some mystery. The team v Armagh were flat on their feet and not interested.
"This year we got promoted at a canter to Division 2, a lot of injuries so a lot of youngsters. We only started losing games when the injured players returned"
The above is what you said about this year's league. As i've shown you with the teamsheets, it's not correct. If you have issue with the Championship team you may have a case but the drop off in the league was not caused by dropping youngsters for the old guard.
The tougher fixtures in the league were Westmeath where Ciaran Brady and Dara McVeety were the two standout players. We hammered Tipp, hammered Longford and I suppose you could say Offaly was tough - Paddy Lynch was man of the match.
What young players got us through tough league fixtures?
Nothing changed in my argument. For the third time now I'll repeat the losses after promotion were no biggie and half expected due to experimenting for championship with promotion secure. It's the championship team I have the problem with and it's clear now in hindsight he never rated the team got us promoted and they were never going to be his championship team considerations bar serious injury, and I'll highlight the word serious.
Your reality is they were out of their depth but the actual reality is they got us promoted in tougher fixtures. And how are they clearly not strong enough for Ulster if a) we didn't see them feature, and b) the ones did come on made a huge difference.
The cold hard truth is that the team took the field against Armagh were way way below the required standard be it due to injury, lack of fitness, lack of speed or desire. Game was over after 15 minutes. You say these new faces are well below this standard again. Well I certainly disagree with you and hope to God I'm right because it's a frightening thought for the future if they can be any worse.
Your argument is changing now. When you started you said the losses came when we dropped the youngsters and went back to the old guard. I've shown you the teamsheets that disprove that. Now you're talking about the Championship.
There's also the reality that some of the players you've mentioned were clearly out of their depth. Finnegan was getting cleaned against Offaly and was replaced and couldnt get his place back. O'Neill had some good performances early in the league but as ground firmed up it became clear he wasn't up to the standard required and his cameos as the year went on backed that up.
Brady was a mixed bag, had a habit of giving the ball away around the middle. He was also injured for a lot of the later games. Boylan similar. Was doing well but clearly wasn't strong enough for Ulster Championship football.
Madden had a good league but he was a liability in a defensive capacity and teams were targeting him. In fairness to him, he did well against Armagh but I can see why Mickey made the decision.
Some of the newer faces are well below the standard of their older teammates. That will become clearer over the next few years.
I know what I said. My initial point was counter to the notion that Graham's preference for youth cost us relegation. That's simply not true, the youngsters were our brightest performers that campaign and it was bringing in unfit older players that relegated us. And I think you're wrong, technically we were still in the hunt for promotion last game. Would have had to win well, would have needed a few freak results elsewhere, but I believe there was a scenario 8 points would have done. But that's splitting hairs and nothing to do with my point.
The losses after promotion never bothered me as I previously said, I just thought he was experimenting so he could go with the best available come championship. Doesn't appear that way in hindsight though, looks like he was falling back into his old ways and going with those he knew longer. The selection against Armagh was shocking. I've given you 3 names already dropped, half a team of players with questionable fitness, how many more you want? Here's 3 more, Finnegan, David Brady and O'Neill. All featured prominently in our canter to promotion, never got a look in afterwards.
I presume training for Championship wouldn't start till after the league.
Do the county board officers get a vote or is it just the clubs?
Clarke and Murray played against Roscommon not Kildare. You said that we were in line for promotion until he brought back the old guard, that's simply not what happened. There was no wholesale dropping of youngsters and reintroduction of older players against Clare or Kildare.
Go back to the league 2023 part, you said we had young lads in the league when we got promotion at a canter and then brought in the old guard and started losing games. Madden and Boylan started both losses. Carolan was injured for Antrim but played against Fermanagh. The youngsters were there playing in the games we lost in the league?
Forgot COR got a few runs in championship 2022, don't remember much of him in league or TC or any of the games in Croker. Whenever he did play was always good for a score or two and not afraid to win dirty ball.
Like you said Clare was 7 months before the conclusion of league so certainly the start of no losing run. We had 6 points on the board and in contention. Clarke and Murray were drafted back in from memory, stands out because they were the 2 most comically unfit players I have seen at IC. Was like playing with 13 players in a do or die relegation game.
Niall Caralon, Tiarnan Madden and Brandon Boylan played the bulk of the league and had a huge influence on the speed at which we transitioned the ball. That was painfully obvious when he did bring on Madden v Armagh, but way too late of course. Decided to give Boylan a run, with what, a minute to go? A lot of that starting team v Armagh had little game time from league and were not fit/injured. Off the top of my head James Smith, Jason McLoughlin, Oisin Kiernan, Gerry Smith, McKiernan, Conor Brady, McVeety would fall into that category. Obviously a lot of experience there and some of them you'd expect to feature but not all of them at once. Way too much of a gamble for first round of championship where energy is needed on field, not on bench.
You’re still waiting for the answer to one query you set, that’s a good one…..
I have stopped engaging because you ignore most of the questions put to you. Go over my posts in relation to the topic and answer the questions set and then I’ll review your queries.
You might want to get a saucer of milk first. Should be plenty of it down in Loughduff.
Any thoughts on the underage odds Vs evens debate by the way? I’d be interested in hearing your thoughts given the concerns your own club raised at the initial meeting re the proposed changes.
Have you untangled the brain knots yet? Still waiting to hear who the youngsters we should have played in the Tailteann Cup were so we could emulate your beloved Meath.
Cormac Reilly didn't feature of note in 2022? Started both Ulster Championship games.
In 2020 Cavan's losing run started against Clare where there was 1 change in the starting side from the previous round.
Our next game wasn't for a full 7 months later and came when the pandemic isolating and close contacts was at its height.
In the Kildare game the only 'old head' returning that hadn't started in either of the previous 2 rounds 7 months earlier was Jason McLoughlin.
The starting team for the Roscommon game had 13 of the 15 players that started when we won the Ulster Final 4 weeks later.
As for this year in the league, below are the sides that started in the game against Down that we won and in the subsequent losses against Antrim and Fermanagh. Where is the gang of youngsters that got dropped between the Down win and the defeats? There's 8 players on each starting team by my count that joined/rejoined the panel since 2020.
Down: R Galligan (capt.) (0-1 free); J McLaughlin, P Faulkner, N Carolan; G Smith, C Brady, T Madden; D Brady, K Clarke; Cian Madden (0-2), D McVeety (0-2, 0-1 mark), J McCabe; P Lynch (2-5, 0-4 frees), R O’Neill, B Boylan (0-1).
Antrim: R Galligan (0-2, 45s); K Brady, P Faulkner, C Moynagh; C Brady, C Reilly, T Madden; J McKenna (0-1), K Clarke; G Smith, C Madden (0-3), J McCabe; B Boylan, P Lynch (1-1), Ryan O'Neill
Fermanagh: R Galligan (0-1, ’45); C Reilly, P Faulkner, N Carolan; C Brady, J Smith, T Madden; J McKenna, K Clarke (1-0); Cian Madden, O Brady (0-5, 5f), J McCabe (1-0) ; G McKiernan (0-2, 1f), B Boylan, Conor Madden.
‘’Quit talking so much sense, it doesn't play well round these parts.’’
Thomas Galligan made his debut against Offaly in 2017 , qualifier game
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Conor Brady, Thomas Galligan and David Brady all made their debuts under Mattie if I'm not mistaken. Cormac O'Reilly made his in 2020, did well enough in League, set up goal against Monaghan in Ulster but never featured of note in 21/22. 2019 was a brutal year and fall out from Ulster final and championship exit caused a mass exodus. Only natural we'd see some debuts in 2020 but as soon as the older heads resurfaced they were all fast tracked into team.
I read someone say we were relegated in 2020 because Micky gave too many youngsters chances. We were actually in contention in Division 2 that year until the old heads came back. I have never seen such clearly unfit players tog out for Cavan in the Kildare and Roscommon games and it was not the youngsters. They actually done very well. AI semi final against Dubs same craic happened, unfit lad not involved all year given a run, well walk would be a more apt term. Same stuff again against Tyrone first round of Ulster.
This year we got promoted at a canter to Division 2, a lot of injuries so a lot of youngsters. We only started losing games when the injured players returned. I didn't mind at the time because I only thought he was going through options. Unfortunately he was actually going with his first preference for championship. And everyone wondered where it all went wrong or why our transition play suddenly dead-lined.
How is it felt it ticks all the boxes? It’ll be difficult on trainers to run one team for League and then another for championship at 17/18. How do you work training for that team spread across two grades?
Option 4 is interesting will give the lads in there 18th year who aren't strong enough to play Senior football a good few league games.
Option 4 is the new proposal:
Option 1:
• U13, U15 and U17 with one further age grade beyond U17 (currently U20 in Cavan)
• U17 is final Developmental Age Grade
• Decoupling - U17s cannot play Adult Club
Option 2:
• U12 with Go Games
• (non-competitive), U14, U16, U18
• Counties must adopt an internal Bye Law to decouple at U18 - i.e., U18s cannot play Adult Club.
Option 3 Whilst this remains on the table it has been amended to such an extent that it is neither feasible or enforceable especially with regard to the 60 hours task force recommendation. Should clubs decide to introduce this option neither the Youth Board nor the C.C.C. will be making any alteration to their games schedules to facilitate the small number players who would be in a position to play both Adult and Underage competition. Furthermore, clubs should be aware that given the long-standing precedent of playing our Minor finals as a curtain raiser to the Senior, Intermediate and Junior finals that regardless of the contestants in these games and any potential crossover that may occur both games will go ahead on the same day.
Option 4: This has been suggested by the Youth Board following their review of a Proposal from the Gowna Cluband taking into account the views expressed at the last county board meeting involving Club Youth representatives:
• Run League competitions at u13, 15 and 18.
• Run Championship Competitions at u13, 15, 17 and one other Age Grade (U19/20)
• Decoupling – U17s cannot play adult football.
The Youth Board favours consideration of Option 4 as Decoupling at 17 is at the heart of our ability to provide a comprehensive games programme. The eligibility of 18-year-olds to play both Youth and Adult football impinges on our ability to design a fixture schedule. It would greatly impact on the scheduling of U18 matches. An 18-year-old cannot play two games at the weekend.
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