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Jozef Puska guilty of murder of Ashling Murphy (Mod notes and threadbans in op)

maebee

https://www.rte.ie/news/2023/1109/1415616-verdict-due-in-trial-over-murder-of-ashling-murphy/

What a monster. Rest in peace Ashling.

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walshb

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121354725#Comment_121354725

Again , bringing in specific attack examples. If you cannot see the clear differences between males and females if attacked by a male, then little point in discussing.

Males (generally speaking) are bigger and stronger (and clearly so) than females. If you think this means nothing (no difference should an attack occur) in a male’s ability to defend and a female’s ability to defend….well.

also, males attacking females (unknown to each other) is usually for robbery or a sexual motive.

males attacking males (unknown to each other) is pretty much never for any sexual motive.

walshb

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121354705#Comment_121354705

Your bringing in random attack examples does not change the fact that women are not near as physically capable of defending themselves against male attackers as males are.

walshb

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121354700#Comment_121354700

Because, as I said, women far less capable of defending themselves from male attackers, as well as the clear possibility rape/sexual violence they are at risk of.

walshb

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121354674#Comment_121354674

Yes. I get ya. My reply earlier was more an example. We are on the same page!!

walshb

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121354664#Comment_121354664

Nobody said this.. I agree with your posts here. I simply pointed out the clear differences between males and females when analysing their safety in society.

in case you missed it: “yes, men need to be careful, responsible and aware.. but with women it’s on a different level/scale.”

walshb

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121354634#Comment_121354634

Spot on

walshb

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121354619#Comment_121354619

It’s not that simple due to situations:

example: your daughter walks every evening in the dark and continually walks a route that is dark, secluded, quiet. You are telling her to stop this as it’s too risky. She refuses to stop . She encounters a male attacker..the male attacker is the scumbag, but your behaviours and choices (whilst being advised of their risks) needs addressing. Are we calling people victim blamers in these situations?

orangerhyme

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121354609#Comment_121354609

To be fair to George Hook, I think the words came out wrong.

I think he meant to say "Women should take more responsibility in not putting themselves in risky situations because unfortunately there's predators who will take advantage".

But it came out sounding like " it's her fault she got raped."

Higgins5473

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121354415#Comment_121354415

It’s a thread about a young woman who was brutally murdered by a layabout lunatic that’s contributed nothing to this planet but his own evilness. what were you expecting?

orangerhyme

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121354593#Comment_121354593

It's not black and white.

It's important for everyone to take certain precautions and be risk aware.

Women unfortunately also need to take precautions but it's not their fault if they encounter a predator.

walshb

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121354591#Comment_121354591

His delivery and wording was the issue.. he has always been sloppy…

nobody should be criticised for calling for women to be ultra careful, responsible and aware when in certain situations. To me that is care and concern, and not at all blaming victims..women themselves promote this.. society promotes this.

walshb

Legal eagles maybe advise.. Puska appealing.. what if NO defender takes on his appeal? What happens? Yes, he could take it on?

Boggles

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121354421#Comment_121354421

the young woman had placed herself at considerable risk

Jesus. You make it sound like she decided to service her own gas boiler.

She had consensual sex with someone of her own choosing, she alleged his friend came in then and raped her.

It's worth noting that defendant was found not guilty.

Hooks comments were not only victim blaming but there were casting moral judgement. 'The Slut - what did she expect' - effectively.

I'm not altogether sure George was cancelled, he was becoming increasingly "old man shouts at cloud" and his listenership figures suffered accordingly, he was giving a slot at the weekend which also died a death.

His own family thought he was dickhéad over it.

What any of that has got to do with a jogger being brutally murdered in the middle of the day I have no idea.

eightieschewbaccy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121354421#Comment_121354421

Posted earlier in the thread, he explicitly blames a victim. And he's previously claimed it's not rape if they're a sleeping partner.....

""But modern day social activity means that she goes back with him. Then is surprised when somebody else comes into the room and rapes her. Should she be raped? Course she shouldn’t. Is she entitled to say no? Absolutely. Is the guy who came in a scumbag? Certainly. Should he go to jail? Of Course. All of those things,” he said.

But is there no blame now to the person who puts themselves in danger?”"

silverharp

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121354380#Comment_121354380

sometimes victim blaming is useful to point out bad thinking, there was a case in the US recently, where an antifa type activist all the defund the police cliches etc. was murdered on camera swanning around a poor area with his girlfried just short of wearing a top hat and walking with cane at ~3AM in the morning. His woke ideas disabled basic safety logic circuits, cos that would be racist I assume, not a mind reader though

In this case I dont think victim blaming describes the situation, jogging in the day time is a perfectly reasonable activity and there will probably not be a case like this in Ireland for many years, far more joggers will be killed from not having enough fear of traffic

Garibaldi?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121354374#Comment_121354374

Thoroughly agree. Daddy is not saying that! But in his head he is constructing all manner of catastrophes. I am trying to recall George Hook's precise words. Did he actually say that as you have quoted? I remember hearing the comments as he made them and thinking "he'll be in trouble here". But I also remember thinking (with empathy) even before George's comments that the young woman had placed herself at considerable risk. No judgement on my part. Just a gut reaction.

eightieschewbaccy

This thread has properly descended into some pretty horrible discussions...

walshb

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121354380#Comment_121354380

No blame at all to that poor girl that was murdered by Puska. Using the word blame is the problem. Education and constantly making women aware of dangers is something that should never stop. There will always be men who kill and rape.

hynesie08

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121354359#Comment_121354359

Literal victim blaming

But is there no blame now to the person who puts themselves in danger?”

hynesie08

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121354361#Comment_121354361

There's a large large difference between "you're not going out in that" and "if you have consensual sex with someone don't be surprised if someone else comes into the room and rapes you"

Garibaldi?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121354265#Comment_121354265

He was on a rant, the type of reaction many, many fathers display when their daughters come down the stairs scantily clad for a night out. It was as if he forgot he was not at home but on the radio. He was bound to be cancelled.

walshb

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121353858#Comment_121353858

I don’t like Hook at all, but he was spot on with his points that saw him cancelled. His delivery was an issue. People far too quick to label folks as victim blaming.

20silkcut

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121354313#Comment_121354313

I live in a rural area in an old farm house. We have been burgled twice in the past 10 years. I know what the ‘fear’ is like and there are many particularly elderly people in similar circumstances petrified to within an inch of their life every night of what may come through the door. Unfortunately ‘ fear’ is an emotion that can not be entirely eradicated and is absolutely necessary for survival.

Garibaldi?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121354081#Comment_121354081

You may bet that most parents have spoken to their children as George Hook did on that programme. But most people are terrified of being considered "unwoke". Of course this bears no reference whatsoever to Aisling's case, engaged as she was in an apparently no-risk activity.But when young people are going out at night parents generally are treading a fine line between the urge to protect them and the need to display some trust in their judgement. George was just being honest.

RabbleRouser2k

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121354224#Comment_121354224

You're talking about a different topic to the one I mentioned, and I would not agree with the statements he made regarding the case you mentioned. Far from it.

And as far as I am aware, nobody is putting any responsibility on Ms Murphy. Far, far from it. I was merely stating that we all need to be careful. We all need to be on our watch. Any nutcase with a knife can end a life very swiftly. I've had an extended family member get stabbed a few years back, and he is sporty, tall, gym addicted and so pretty strong, and looks after himself. He was on a night out, an argument broke out, and he got stabbed. It could very well have gone so much worse, but thankfully he survived. Never blamed him.

I know of a double murder of two individuals who were killed by someone they were friendly with. But for whatever bizarre reason, he took umbrage with them. By all accounts, they did everything to help him as he seemed 'out of sorts' before the murders. Nobody blamed them. They were both male. Shot and killed in their home.

We've seen teenagers, relatively recently, get into arguments over things like a bicycle then murder their friend. Nobody ever said 'why didn't he just give him the bike'? I'd never, ever blame the victim. Never. The blame always rests on the person who hurt the individual.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121354228#Comment_121354228

I was told as much as a kid. There was always that fear that some freakazoid would try and attack you. So if you were in some area you didn't know, or it was late at night, you constantly looked over your shoulder. I've friends (male) who got harassed on nights out. Some got followed back to where they live and had to call the guards because people turned up being like 'We're here for the party', and there was no party.

As I mentioned with the double murder- until their killer was found, everyone I knew, myself included, was looking over our shoulders because of that fear 'I might be next'.

It's the way I operate. Never safe until I get home, and then I set the alarm in the house.

Freight bandit

Imagine we've had to fund this waster....and he took the life of a beautiful girl who contributed greatly to Ireland and its culture through music and her teaching....how far has Ireland fallen

Ash.J.Williams

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121346718#Comment_121346718

Easy

20silkcut

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121354265#Comment_121354265

I had not seen the entire quote. I just saw “George hook telling his daughters be careful”

I don’t agree with George hooks words you quoted. That is not reasonable.

Have updated my opinion now to reflect that.

billyhead

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121354211#Comment_121354211

He'll probably be out earlier if that was done.

hynesie08

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121354278#Comment_121354278

Until 1990 that opinion was backed up by the laws of this country if they were married.

But it's the blasted immigrants.