A pit bull dog below in Wexford the latest episode of a child been savaged . Are these dogs suitable for pets .
PS The only people with Pitbulls or similar in our town are involved in drug dealing and or general criminality.
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Show me some hard data on that. I'll wait...
How many people get attacked and maimed by golden retrievers?
Very very few
Ok, thug owners are the problem.
If thugs cannot be an owner then problem solved.
See where I am going. Get rid of the dogs with serious damage potential, responsible dog owners will find other breeds to care for
or are you happy to let dangerous dogs roam free, not muzzled and free to do whatever their sh56y owners let them? Attacking kids is far game too?
LOL "Proven killer?" Is this some kind of 'magic special forces' dog breed that I don't know about? 🤣
How many people get attacked and maimed by golden retrievers? One of my mates had his arms torn to shreds by one. Was it the dog's fault? No... Just a bad owner who treated it like ****.
LOL Good luck with that!
Also, bear in mind that the "restricted dog list" in Ireland is archaic and makes little or no sense. One example is Staffordshire bull terriers. They are the kindest and most gentle dogs one could get (ask any vet). And they are restricted?? LOL
I've been keeping Staffs for 25 years and they have all been wonderful. Thug owners are the problem.
Oh, and if you want to do the whole 'before someone comes along and says ban all dogs on the restricted dog list... blah blah.... same old tripe'. I can do that too. LOL
Proven killer?
You're dead right. Like, apart from all the people they've killed, what proof is there that these dogs are killers? Sure most people only end up maimed or scarred for life, so what's the big deal?
Bleedin' snowflakes.
Ok, ban Rottweiler, Rhodesian ridge backs all the other dogs on the restricted dogs list - otherwise known as dangerous dogs list
There is no reason except vanity, criminality or insecurity to have a dangerous dog.
Before someone comes along and says all dogs are dangerous blah blah …..same old tripe.
A miniature schnauzer does need to be hit with a baseball bat for it to stop biting someone.
Need a house guard dog, get a Lhasa Apso
You do realize that your statement makes little sense.
For a start, there are some rather large terriers with a lot of bite strength. And that's before I make any mention of larger dogs that are bigger and heavier than XLs.
Proven killer? That statement a tad hyperbolic and you could apply that to several dogs who's killed people. Who remembers the 90's rottweilers?
One last point? What is an XL bully and how do you ban the breed? Given the fact they are not an official breed?
Sounds a bit like pro gun lobby in America.
Compensation is daft only encourages the breeding of them to get the money.
Oh shít sorry, didn't see your other post. If I did I wouldn't even bother to respond.
Ah sorry, I thought your post sensible. In that it is shocking that the owners of these XL things should receive compensation.
Shocking in a way, that if somebody will tell me to go to vets and get my dog to put to sleep and get 200 pounds for it, I know what would I tell them, where they can shove their 200..
Shocking that they get compensation rather than having to pay for it to be put down?
Cull the pitbulls/XL's and the thug owners.
Double win.
Yes, it’s tiresome to read posts saying “all dogs can bite “. If a terrier attacks me I’ll have no problem defending myself but if up against one of those Xbull monsters I know I’m up against a proven killer
Pitbulls (and dogs in general) are not the problem. It's moronic thug dog owners.
No surprise. A ban is badly needed here. At least wardens could act quickly and perhaps before someone is injured or even killed. before someone bring up the irrelevant 'all dogs can bite' it's not about biting it's about mainming and killing beyond that which other dogs do.
Another Attack
There are a lot of savages in this country and I'm not talking about American Bullies or any type of dog. At the same time there are plenty of ignorant people who swallow whatever the gutter press tells them. Result is we get problems with dog breeding, ownership, welfare and control and little enforcement of existing legislation. Someone gets bitten or worse by a dog that looks "tough" and then it's "ban these devil dogs".
Completely agree with that! A bit of thinking would do better for plenty of people.
Well Johnny in the article sounds a bit confused, to put it lightly.
In 17 years living here, I've never met a dog warden. Even though, there are always loose dogs in the local village. Usually lurchers, starving, no collars, a piece of rope around the neck, wouldn't let you close. So people, including me keep feeding them. Actually really písses me off to see those poor bastards afraid of their life of people, but so hungry that they do follow once they know you gonna feed them.
On one thing Johnny is right, there are plenty of examples of European countries doing things differently and Ireland should follow them, or pick the best approach and put it to work.
Making pointless lists isn't the way to sort the mess around the dogs here though.
Tabloid nonsense has polluted this thread. The media feeds off and perpetuates this stuff as can be seen below - devil dogs, beasts, lion expert called in and of course, accompanied by a scary pic.
Also I've known a couple of individuals employed as dog wardens in Councils and they should not be in any position of authority. And here we have a dog warden quoted as describing the Presa Canario breed as "pure evil".
Ireland has a disgusting history when it comes to the treatment of animals. Dog racing industry and horse racing industry are full of animal cruelty. Travellers get a free pass with their treatment of horses and dogs. And judging by people on here, kill 'em all is the attitude when it comes to dogs.
When comes to this desire to torture and kill animals I'm surprised there aren't more serial killers in Ireland.
Just an opinion right..
I'll just pull out bits and pieces from the article..
" Although the Irish are known for our hospitality around the world, unfortunately, we do not have a good reputation when it comes to our pets. Ireland has repeatedly been dubbed as the “puppy farm capital of Europe” and we are known for our disregard for the needs of the animals in our care.
All across the country dog shelters are full to capacity, they cannot keep up with the number of stray, surrendered, abandoned and mistreated dogs that require safety. In addition to the dogs currently in their care, they have long lists of dogs waiting to be signed over who are looking for a home. We have upwards of 30 council dog shelters and over 100 volunteer-run rescues in the Republic of Ireland and they are all full. This is shameful considering other countries such as Sweden have the need for only one government-funded shelter. But why is it that Ireland has such a problem looking after and caring for dogs?
In short, healthy dogs, raised correctly, do not bite. Well reared puppies do not end up in shelters. You will not find dogs from good breeders looking for a new home or surrendered to a shelter because responsible educated breeders ensure that only suitable families purchase their pups and they take back their pups if something goes wrong.
Someone who has multiple breeds or breeding females with litters cannot possibly adequately socialise and handle those puppies. Puppies need to be handled from a very young age, they need to be safely introduced to noises, smells, surfaces, people, other animals and objects in order to develop into confident, calm and content dogs
I could basically quote the whole lot.
Lightning doesn’t roam the streets, intimidating innocent people. Take over play grounds and parks and cause people to leave them or avoid them altogether.
Where are you living?
Vibrators again!?
BBC article, just shows you how ban works in the UK...
From the article:
So yeah, ban away ladies and gentlemen, problem is that you won't achieve what you hoping for.
The chance of being killed by a dog in the UK is similar to the chance of being killed by lightning. Yes there has been an increase in dog attack deaths in 2022 and 2023 but as recently as 2020 there were two deaths and zero in 2018.
What do you think might have happened in the last couple of years to trigger this massive spike in dog attack deaths?
I mean, it couldn't be an increase in the popularity of XL bullies by any chance?
The whataboutery here is ridiculous.
More chance of being killed by lightning. Would you ever grow up. That is not a fair comparison and you know it. Lightning doesn’t roam the streets, intimidating innocent people. Take over play grounds and parks and cause people to leave them or avoid them altogether.
These dangerous dogs are used as weapons, no different than a knife by low level criminals. The Law needs to be updated to classify them as such and allow the State to prosecute people for it.
We need to end this subterfuge that these animals are ‘just somebody’s pet’. These are abused animals, treated terribly and bred to kill.
A person does not have a right to have an animal, for any purposes, no more than they have a right to a bicycle or car.
Possessing an animal does not instantly give you greater rights to public places and trump the rights of the community to use them without fear or intimidation.
The fundamental flaw in the argument that we should only target "irresponsible owners", is that it requires a dog to attack someone before an owner is proven to be irresponsible.
Thus, it doesn't prevent a single attack. The only effective preventative measure is a ban.
To continue with the gun analogy, we don't allow everyone to carry an assault rifle and only take it off them after they've shot someone. But that is the exact "logic" being put forward here.
Little dog or child? How dramatic.
Most dogs and humans, if trained or socialised properly, won’t attack anyone. The gun analogy is of the most ridiculous things I have read here in a while.
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