Is Ireland becoming a Woke Society? Are people too scared to say anything as it may offend…..
Are we too tolerant and easily lead?
I asked a question.
Its like saying, "here's a copy of The Secret, go have positive thoughts and you'll get everything you want". Here's a self-help book while you're at it.
Their whole culture was effectively made illegal by the state and they were forced to live in ghettos. That is where the troubles began, but context just muddys the waters of hating the dysfunctional travellers.
Are you being serious?
Kitchen sink only thing missing
By focusing on individuals you can ignore the systemic issues, nice way to stay comfortably ignorant.
If you can't define it, just say so.
'Woke' is a made up term ... by those who want to oppress others who do not share their self given 'right' to criticise others ... the real term for the anti woke brigade is racist ... misogynist ... sectarian ... etc ... the anti-'woke' brigade like to talk about 'free speech' and their 'right to offend' and the like ... they want to stir up trouble ... and they usually are religious nutters or panderers to religious nutters ...
Idiots like Ron de Santis are examples of panderers to the anti wokers ... boasting like 'Florida is where woke comes to die' .... what a loser! I do not think de Santis believes what he says ... but he is pandering to an audience who can be lead along by a Pied piper of Gilead ... Donald Trump is doing the same and leading more people down the Handmaid's Tale rabbithole ... De Santis and Trump could well inspire a tsunami of hatred and fanaticism that would swallow them whole and set America in directions they didn't even intend because of their short-termism and power hungry agendas ... when you empower an out of control mob that is what happens ... January 6th 2021 is just a taste of what these losers could inspire ...
Sadly those who fall for this anti woke agenda do not know where it leads ... it may start off with Covid conspiracies ... then general criticism of the government and then onto more sinister racist and sectarian agendas ... ultimately anti woke leads to WAR ...
Some anti woke world leaders past and present .... Adolf Hitler, Pol Pot, Osama bin Laden, Ali Khamenei/Mojtaba Khamenei, Slobodan Milosevic, Donald Trump, Benjamin Netanyahu .... some anti woke organisations ... the Nazis, Al Qaeda, Taliban, ISIS, Paydari, the Tea Party factions of the Republican Party and their descendants ... enough said ....
this isn’t China or Iran , no singular top down edicts , they take hold , gather momentum and become the “ respectable opinion “ when various influential progressives start employing them and demanding others get in line
celebrities often see embracing them as career wise and this influences youth etc
Ok, then. Who approves these positions? What are their names? How are they elected or appointed?
Oh my dear boy , you do enjoy employing the same methods repeatedly
I'll take that as a no.
A near religious adherence to approved respectable progressive positions on any given topic
think of these like woke commandments
true, the whole class struggle thing at least had some logic. Today you can be some trust fund kid with a university degree and still expect society to treat said person as oppressed. Its basically a posh cope philosophy for losers with a lot of privilege and a magnet for people with dark triad personality traits
Any proof that all genocides began as grievances as per your claim?
Travellers make what is known as the progressive sacred cow list and therefore most ( if not all) misdemeanours and shortcomings can be blamed on systematic prejudice
it’s actually incredibly condescending towards what are native Irish people
if woke progressives really cared about travellers ( instead of mining them for virtue ) , they would work to see travellers abandon their hugely self damaging “ culture “
but isn’t that the whole basis of wokeness, sounding virtuous, doing something meaningful and transformative is an optional extra
Can you define "woke"?
Yes.
It's mad that I get blamed for the life outcomes of travellers. It's as if they have no agency.
A serious socialist politician would be honest, and instead of blaming everybody else, would point that a lack of engagement with education and skills will lead to poor outcomes.
i thought you might
This is one of the most dishonest arguments going. Anytime someone supports the working class here, they're dismissed as Communists and genocide apologists. The only time the right cares about the working class is when they can be used to push racism and xenophobia.
they didnt "just industialise it", I dont think hitler was upset that the "Jews killed Jesus" , the nazis blamed the Jews for losing WW1(untrue), that fits the definition of blaming other people for your problems. Blaming other people for your problems is loser think
https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/antisemitism-in-history-world-war-i
Indeed.
It would be good if the Labour party here and in in UK went back to what it should be doing - supporting labourers, instead of wasting time on bonkers identity politics.
Hint - it's in the name of your party!!
The old "It's only bad when Muslims do it" argument. Pass.
Some indeed were and still are in many islamic countries ( though the woke are conspicuously silent about that ) but the woke tend to want all traditional norms upended and seem affronted when otherwise moderately political people are in disagreement
then the “ fascist “ or other phobe cards are played
You can be “ far left “ and not woke , most woke folks are not far left at all and perfectly content with capitalism
I wouldn't say all but many traditional norms were morally abhorrent. Many that persist still are.
Well it is good to see you say that “ travellers need to take more responsibility “ , most progressives ( at least public commentators) would baulk at your comment, all of the problems that bedevil travellers are the fault of prejudiced society , that is the received wisdom on the subject
All traditional norms “ were horrendous “ ?
That's just antisemitic disinformation. Hatred of the Jews is millenia old. The Nazis just industrialised it. Using genocide as an excuse to score points against people you dislike is just disgusting.
Feel free to provide proof of your claim.
Every genocide? the nazis and Jews for instance started as a perceived grievance based on ethnicity, If you look at the lingo the yanks are using currently Colonization and Decoloning, that is path to a genocide , I dont think its likely as most trends reverse at some stage but why endorse a philosophy that has such a large potential downside while also being terrible for the individual? much more positive to treat people as individuals, not treating people as some group average where by definition no such individual exists
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