Is Ireland becoming a Woke Society? Are people too scared to say anything as it may offend…..
Are we too tolerant and easily lead?
My definition isn’t convenient, it’s accurate.
There is no such thing as “wokism”. What you’re doing is bundling a load of things you don’t like together and calling it “wokism”. There is no logic to it.
The term “woke” was originally meant as a positive thing. To be aware of social issues. That’s it. What then happened is that people turned it into a pejorative for social progressives, because they didn’t agree with social progressives.
Now some social progressives are idiots and those idiots are used to beat the rest of us over the head. To the point where people like yourself conflate being socially progressive and being fascists. It would make a fine research study for a PhD in sociology
You know who bundles people together in a group and portrays them as victims? The KKK.
Are they woke?
Wokeness is essentially a lefty phenomena, the counterpoint to the looney right wing nutters that exist in the world. Therefore those groups you mention wouldn't fit into the wokester grouping.
If you are born white then you can be poor, if you are born black you are almost guaranteed to be poor. What causes that ?
The woke tend to think that feeling trump facts though.
For example they believe that if you feel oppressed you must be oppressed irrespective of all the evidence that proves otherwise.
things can morph into other things and movements and ideas can go to far, we are in the "too far" stage. If you agreed with that , we would be on the same page.
That statement makes no sense, try rereading it.
Fixed it now.
I disagree fundamentally, the reason that progressives support action on disadvantage is because there is mountains of evidence to say it is discrimination based. It the evidence that motivates not the feeling.
The right now is all about gut feeling and hatred of people who are different. It's an evidence free zone.
Most people on the planet are born poor in fairness, you fight for the next generation to be better of than their parents. The vast majority of Irish people were poor a hundred years ago and they were white. If you re talking about Black people in the US now, you tell the kids to stay in school , get a good education, stay out of trouble and you will be guaranteed to get hired ahead of white people when going for the same jobs with the same skills in a fortune 500 company. What you dont do is raise Black kids with a grievance and blame their problems on other people Whites, the Jews etc. that just creates an infantilisation of such people so they never actualise
You said "preferred" group initially. Check the first post I replied to.
Your changing your definition, but it makes no difference: woke is not defined by identity - group or otherwise - and inproved that in my last post, so we're done here
in the context of in groups/out groups there is a hierarchy of oppression/privilege , so its all a big power play of groups based on preferences. This is a casual chat forum, Im not obliged to present a thesis in my first post to be challenged, you let the arguments evolve. If you have declared victory in your head, thats fine.
The woke are the opposite of progressives though, they want to drag people back to judging them by the virtue of their skin colour, ethnicity, gender etc and deeming whether their concerns are worthwhile or not based on that.
So, "woke" just means left wing?
Bollox.
If you want to create a straw man to knock down you have only proven the shallowness of your position.
Like we see with travellers in Ireland, various NGO,s ( and media) never cease telling travellers that they are oppressed by the majority, Eastern European immigrants who arrived twenty years ago with little English have prospered despite being the same colour as travellers
So your telling me that you don't automatically have a negative image of what a traveller is and that doesn't have an impact. Pull the other one.
It’s a Neo Marxist creature in many ways and is boundlessly creative in undermining traditional norms and understandings
I have a negative image of what a Kinehan cartel member is also
cause and effect
Care to elaborate? There's a trend here for people throwing around grand (and not so grand) words without much meaning or context.
So that then is how you approach travellers, point made.
The fantastic thing about Woke is that it actually can mean anything.
No, more like modern looney lefties completely obsessed with identity politics.
Sounds like you're the one who has a negative image of travelers, why would you automatically assume other people have a negative image of travelers if you don't have one yourself?
the earlier point was about how the media and other left wing activists instill a victimhood status on travellers, no reason why Poles thrive and travellers do not
Who are “the woke”, in your opinion?
I identify as woke and am definitely a social progressive
Why shouldn’t we undermine traditional norms? Up until recently traditional norms were horrendous.
Are you ready to define “woke” as “neo Marxism” now? If you are you need to lay off the Jordan Peterson YouTube channel.
Some things morph over time. That’s called progress.
You can’t start criticism something that never existed and support that. “Wokism” is little more that a strawman set up to burn by conservatives. Like political correctness before it, but easier to spell.
This is a ridiculous comparison.
Now, travellers need to take more responsibility for solving their own problems but this is not a direct comparison at all.
Thats not a rule that its progress by nature, a grievance can turn into genocide, I wouldnt call it progress, it would be in the "too far" camp
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