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The trial of Molly Martens

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44,337 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    She wanted the kids so she much she did the one thing that guaranteed she couldn't have them.

    Not the most airtight conspiracy to be fair.

    Anyway not even the prosecution are claiming that, they have conceded there was no premeditation or malice.

    Primarily because it is illogical.



  • Site Banned Posts: 2,931 ✭✭✭Musicrules


    I really don't like that. That's the 'look at what you made me do' abuser excuse.

    We don't know the ins and outs but to me, it looks like the two of them were as bad as each other. The full extent or lack of extent the abuse from Corbett was is the mitigation here. Still no reason to kill him.



  • Site Banned Posts: 2,931 ✭✭✭Musicrules




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 35,714 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    The statement you made of as being as bad as each other. Is highly disputed though.

    I would use the concept of scant evidence of that.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 35,714 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    Never fails to amaze how the holiday trope of attractive women can quite literally pass muster with many people. I can guarantee if she wasn't remotely physically appealing this thread wouldn't attract as many suitors..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,236 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    What?

    Who said there was a guarantee she couldn't keep the kids. How do we know her mind didn't construct a narrative of "Jason won't let me adopt the kids, if he is out of the way I can"

    Not sure where you are getting a "guarantee" from.

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44,337 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    The family law solicitor she visited in the link above.

    She wasn't legally entitled to the kids, "murdering" the kids father doesn't change that.

    It's illogical.



  • Site Banned Posts: 2,931 ✭✭✭Musicrules


    Everything is highly disputed, that's my point. We don't know, that's why coming down firmly on one side or the other seems pointless.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,236 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    You forgot to throw in the digs about conspiracies.

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44,337 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    What dig?

    It is a literal unfounded conspiracy with no anchor to reality.

    The kids were not American citizens she had absolutely no legal right to them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,014 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    Listened back to that Ralph Reigel interview with PK. Astounding stuff and remember hearing this at the original trial. Trouble is, this and much else isn't being presented this time. Ralph estimates only about 10%. What is being submitted to the judge is that evidence that's agreed between the prosecution and defence. That's why the eventual decision will be unsatisfactory. If I can find the link, or if anyone else can to that interview, it's worth listening to.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Don't think she mentioned asking about keeping his children if she murdered their father in legal advice



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,014 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    Boggles 'no anchor to reality' you say. That's the whole point, MM didn't have that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,521 ✭✭✭Be right back




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44,337 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Well his family need to stop describing her as clever and cunning so.

    Is it possible after visiting a family law specialist she took it up wrong when she was told she had no legal right to to mean if I murder their father with a paving block I get to keep them.

    Ya, it's possible not probable though.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,236 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    Yeah yeah. Everyone who disagrees is a conspiracist. 🙄 it's not even subtle.

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44,337 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    The state don't even agree.

    What do you think yourself?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,014 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    The state clearly want this case off their books. This is a settlement. For the Corbetts, it's like your car insurance company settling a claim, even tough you want it contested.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 61,252 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Hold on. Molly was married to Jason

    are we saying if he dies, his spouse has no chance to be one the guardian/minder/parent if his children?

    surely the spouse and “stepmother” in this case withd have quite a chance of gaining custody of the surviving g children?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 61,252 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Hold on. Molly was married to Jason

    are we saying if he dies, his spouse has no chance to be the guardian/minder/parent of his children, her stepchildren?

    surely the spouse and “stepmother” in this case would have quite a chance of gaining custody of the surviving children?

    Molly was not planning to have access (after being caged for murder). Her plan was get rid Jason (and get away with murder) and then have custody of the children. An absolute psychopath, that you still want to paint as a victim who just had to act to survive.

    Post edited by walshb on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,172 ✭✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,172 ✭✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    RTÉ news this evening - they’re (defence and hearing) still going on about Jason’s first wife death - it’s extraordinary - talk about conspiracy theories.

    Must be heartbreaking for her family and indeed his. This isn’t justice- it’s a sham - I’d prefer that both of them walked at a proper retrial rather than listen to this bullsh1t fiction



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,376 ✭✭✭FishOnABike


    It is important to note that stepparents do not automatically have the right to make legal decisions for their stepchildren simply by virtue of their relationship to them. In order to obtain this right, a stepparent generally must be given that right through a minor guardianship case, adoption, death of both biological parents, or a proceeding that terminates a biological parent’s rights.

    While Molly wouldn't automatically have guardianship rights, with both biological parents deceased she would be able to apply for guardianship.

    It is quite possible that as an American citizen, in America and already stepmother to the children, it would be reasonable she would be made the children's legal guardian if she could convince the police / prosecution that ske killed Jason in self defence.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,289 ✭✭✭selectamatic


    I happened to see that too. God you'd near laugh if it wasn't such a serious situation.

    A woman who tragically passed away despite everyone's best efforts including extensive CPR had a reddening on her nose and mouth.

    Truly ground breaking revelations by the defence...

    The Fitzpatrick's family statement at the weekend was a hard read. These last 2 weeks must have been seriously hard on them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,172 ✭✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    Yep and all because a b1tch and a pr1ck wish to walk free for murder

    #fckyoumollymartenskiller



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,172 ✭✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    At last- what a few sensible people here have been saying for a long time despite the sneers from trolls

    Hopefully article will transfer over to Sunday world website soon so we can see it in full

    A US manslaughter sentencing hearing was told a psychologist examined Molly Martens (40) and found "the primary focus of her existence" was to secure custody of Jason Corbett's two children.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,113 ✭✭✭chooseusername




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 61,252 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Exactly what I was thinking. Two children whose parents are dead, and whose stepmother was married to their father. Of course she would have a chance to gain custody. As well as all three living in the U.S., and Molly a U.S. citizen. Anyway, who else would have a better chance to gain custody?!

    yes, being convicted of murder really dampens her chances.. but like I said, her plan wasn’t to be convicted of anything.

    Post edited by walshb on


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,172 ✭✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    Delicious - along with the refutation of testimony around the death of first wife - “undetermined” is the most that can be concluded on that based on “report not up to US standards” - some idiots on this thread falling for the lies of the martens time and time again 🤪🤪🤪🤪😀😀😀


    She falsely claimed to be the editor of an Irish magazine, lied about knowing Jack and Sarah's mother and even told her own bridesmaids that the children's mother had pleaded with her to look after them if anything should happen to her.

    Ms Martens was briefly in college but did not graduate - and later lied about being on the university swim team.

    While in college, she kept a framed photograph of a little girl on her bedside table and told her roommate it was her little sister who had died of cancer - but Ms Martens never had a sister.

    When she travelled to Ireland to work as a nanny for Mr Corbett's two children, she had falsely claimed on her CV to have been a foster parent.



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