Having never owned a Hyundai, would a 38kw Ioniq have much better range than a similar 40kw Leaf?
Yes. Due to the Ioniq being so efficient and better aero properties. Also due to the leaf being so prehistoric.
40 kWh leaf, 2018 onwards is prehistoric? You're giving the anti EV crowd plenty of ammunition with statements like that😁
I had 3 in work, I also had the L24 version before it. I drove that car Scotland to Dublin through Belfast without issue so I'm well versed in them :)
The L40 is an old design built on top of the L24 infrastructure.
They are great cars, but many better ones from that era now with more efficient properties, not to mention CCS instead of the Leaf's Chademo connector.
Chademo was dead in 2020, nevermind in 2024.
I see they are now offering €5000 off and 0% finance on new leafs trying to get them sold.
Know someone who bought a used EV recently and the dealer who sold it said sales of EVs have fallen off a cliff of late.
Apparently finding it very hard to shift any he has in stock.
It's been a buyer's market for a while now.
Tesla really putting the pressure on second hand values too (did I see a M3 for 40k new recently?)
List price of a new niro k3 is 42 and change, or 53 for the ev6..
prices are very much ‘softening’ in the 2nd hand market as 2-3yo expensive EVs seek people with €30-40k to buy them 2nd hand.
in more broader terms - the mass market EV driver isn’t following the enthusiastic/knowledgable early EV adopters as keenly as expected
I spoke to the buyer, who was a 1st time ev owner, and they said they were worried about buying an 'old or used' battery.
There is still a lack of knowledge about evs , their technology, the batteries etc out there among car owners, and many countless people would still be scared sh1tless to buy an ev, especially a used one.
Only recently I told a friend that I normally don't take the EV out in heavy rain as there is a bigger chance of being electrocuted by the 400V system. He believed me straight away. There is enormous ignorance out there 😂
Yea, a guy electrocuted in Germany last year in a drive through car wash. New legislation coming in there to restrict EVs to hand wash only.
Hand wash using that new waterless method. Sorted.
Gonna need a source on that.
Why? Seems very plausible to me🙄
It doesn't make much sense to buy a 1- 2 year old EV atm, because the prices are too high secondhand, I'm not worried about the battery. People bought at high prices and now the new car prices have decreased a lot, especially Teslas.
Another thing in the past few years is EV tech advancement is happening at lighting pace. It's much like how smartphones advanced a few years ago with every iteration but have now rather plateaud. Every year we're see EVs take rather big leaps, more tech, better efficiency, more refinement, more power, better software, more range, more choice, more competition entering the market.
The way I look at it is that buying a 2-3 old EV is like buying an old smartphone used smartphone, I wouldn't be happy with it. If I didn't have the ability to buy a new EV right now and my ICE car was running just fine I think I'd rather wait until I could afford to buy new so I could have the latest and greatest.
Lifeshine for 350 of your hard earned quids, never have to wash the car again 🥴
Yep we're adding another to the work fleet and the salespeople are hounding the guy to buy from them, following up relentlessly.
Just need a bit of a price drop and they'll sell.
True but as soon as you buy the new one it will be used and bettered by something else. I agree though for the most part nearly new EVs are too expensive. Ive been tracking a couple for a few weeks now. Still for sale but no budge on price. We'll see what the next few weeks will bring
The tech isn't changing much at all. The only thing different in the last few years is that more and more budget EVs are getting LiFePO4 batteries. This isn't anything new either but to be welcomed as the cells can do many more cycles and they are very safe, can not go on fire.
😂 not enough emojis in phone to get across my reaction 😂
With that mindset, you'll never buy one. You'll always worry the next gen will be better.
I think their point is simply that EVs are iterating far more than ICE cars are at the moment on the important stuff like software and efficiency/range - the big Irish sellers like the ID4 or tesla model 3 both have versions for Jan/Feb delivery which are clearly a much better car underneath.
the four stroke engine has been around for over 100years and mid life refreshes are usually just cosmetic.
indeed the 2020 Fremont model 3 is now a wholly lesser vehicle than the 2024 version will be in almost all areas, and the 2nd hand market hasn’t reflected that at all yet
I would strongly disagree that the new Tesla or ID.4 are "much" better.
I'd imagine much better and significant improvements are marketing talk. We've been told ICE cars are x% stiffer and y% more fuel efficient than the model they're replacing every time there's a new model launch. Yet the last ICE car I had was an a6 doing 40mpg which they were doing in previous generation and the generation before that.
Sometimes you get a big leap forward in a certain model when a company gets their act together after a poor model but I guarantee you both VW and Tesla are penny pinching still trying to get EVs to mass market .
Why?
I think you mean an actual new model,
the upcoming ID4 and model 3 changes are a mid life update, are going to be the same price or maybe cheaper, but are objectively better cars in all key areas.
that has a knock on effect on all existing models, and show how quickly EV technology is evolving
ID4 update seems minimal enough, revised motors that are more efficient and powerful, a reworked interior and some new software. No major change to battery size or tech. Range improved by maybe 10% expected.
Also nobody will dispute that the facelift Model 3 is a big improvement on the original from 2017. But that has almost nothing to do with any EV related stuff. Simply Tesla making much higher quality builds and using fewer parts, in Germany and China compared to the original made in the USA cars.
In fact it's almost the opposite. Most of the "tech" improvements are in software and the updates are rolled out over the air to existing cars
What they said ☝️
Thanks. They both said they were objectively better cars so I thought you were mixed up?
ID gets facelift, substantially better software, power increase from 204 bhp to 286 bhp and are more efficient. I’d consider that a big improvement.
Model 3 gets facelift, slightly increased range and a more premium feel to it.
Im not saying they are new cars but they are certainly a major improvement on the originals.
