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Israel/Palestine Thread

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    How much money did he get when he negotiated his resignation,

    I'd say he's received a sizeable golden handshake,

    But he's making a point.....



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    I've only heard of women Muslims divorcing in western countries via Sharia courts in host countries, I believe they have to jump through hoops and then face being outcasted from communities, where a man it's a hell of a lot simpler



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,417 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    SF once again showing imaturity in relation to the Israeli ambassador.

    OK so we kick out the ambassador.

    Then what? What have we gained and who do we talk to after that?

    And what if there are Irish citizens in Israel or Palenstine requiring assistance? Didn't think of that either because Israel will just kick out our ambassador and barely blink an eyelid.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,796 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    The purpose of the mandate you are referring to, Mandate for Palestine, was the Creation of the territories of Mandatory Palestine and the Emirate of Transjordan. It was formulated in 1920 and existed until 48 as you said.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    But yet they have completely ignored Yuri Filatov the Russians ambassador to Ireland



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,776 ✭✭✭fly_agaric


    True. I was thinking there will be some terminating point to what Israel is doing in Gaza now, and afterwards the questions really start for his leadership + policies.

    The longer/deeper Israel is consumed with wars and fighting and he can say he's needed to serve as a war time crisis leader (or indeed can adopt some emergency powers to protect himself, if their constitution allows him that) the better for him & Likud party I would have thought.

    Not for Israel itself, or anyone else of course!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,796 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    India and Canada had recent tit for tat expulsion of diplomats.

    It's pretty insignificant in the greater scheme of things, but a useful way to show displeasure with another country without going all aggressive.

    I think Spanish ministers have made the same calls in recent days, and while unfortunately, some people may be prevented from leaving the conflict zone as this plays out, that shows more poorly on the Israeli's than it does on the Irish as they are once again keeping people in harms way while simultaneously claiming that everything they are doing is self defense.

    Clearly that is not the case with keeping people in the region who want to leave it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,671 ✭✭✭brickster69


    How does a freedom fighter become a terrorist ?


    Niccolò Machiavelli :

    "To ally with great powers to defeat your neighbour is a strategic trap; if you win, you become the slave of the greater power; if the allied power is defeated, you remain alone and defenceless against the angry neighbour, and you are destroyed." - Niccolò Machiavelli



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 162 ✭✭onlymeself


    What has that got to do with the question I put to you? It's fairly obvious why you didn't answer it.

    Do you have any understanding at all about why it isn't alright to expel people from the land they rightly own, shove them into a little corner and then demand that they just be happy with the little bit they now have. Telling them to get on with it and leave us thieves to live in peace now that we have robbed you, abused you and oppressed you.

    It's accepted all over, even by the US that Israel have robbed land illegally. If there was no Hamas, would you be fine with another Palestinian group taking in the IDF and using the same IDF tactics to take back that land?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,906 ✭✭✭scottser


    Most Irish people were delighted that hostilities ended. The IRA were not defeated. You shouldn't conflate those two things.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,694 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    Prior to 1947, there was a sizeable chunk of the Mandate area legally owned by Jewish settlers, having lived there for many years and acquired it from the locals by purchase, legally, under the rules of the Ottoman empire. In 1948, the Arab states invaded with the goal of confiscating all the land and divvying it up.


    "Do you have any understanding at all as to why it isn't right to expel people from land they legally own?"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 702 ✭✭✭Housefree


    People need to contact their local TDs about pushing through the Control of Economic Activity (Occupied Territories) Bill 2018

    This could start a domino effect across the EU, something the apartheid state fears, hence their very active Hasbara campaigns over all Irish based social media platforms

    Israel employs an army of social media warriors, make sure you don't get caught up debating them




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,213 ✭✭✭jmreire


    For women in Islam, everything is different, as legally ( sharia Law) their word carry's only about a third the weight of a mans. And in strong Islamic Country's while women divorcing is not unknown, I could see them being more problematic especially where there are children. and then ( Pakistan especially, but not confined to Pakistan either ) There's the question of "Honour" which in their culture plays a very big part. To the extent, that women have been mutilated and killed over perceived dishonorable behavior. And there have been such cases recorded even in England. And quite a lot of this disgusting behavior can come from the Brides relatives, or even her family. But for modern educated Muslim women, all they need to do is to say to the soon to be ex husband "I divorce you x 3 times, and that's it from what I understand. I happened to be present in one Sharia Court one time, as a spectator with a Muslim friend, and a case came up where a divorced Wife was bringing the ex to court for non-payment of the agreed maintenance cash. He was several months in arrears it seems. All done and dusted in a few minutes. The Mullah listened to the women, and then sent her out of the room to wash her hands, and when she came back in, a copy of the Quran was placed in front of her and she placed her right hand on it, and repeated what she had said earlier to the Mullah. Job done. The Mullah ordered the ex husband to pay up, and that was that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,052 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    Indeed they do

    “Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass.”

    https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20231029-netanyahu-declares-holy-war-against-gaza-citing-the-bible/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,906 ✭✭✭scottser


    There are already Irish citizens in Gaza being refused access to their embassy by the Israelis. They do not give a fiddler's about us because we won't cheer on their genocide. While I agree that its better to have them 'in the tent pissing out rather than outside pissing in', remember that all relationships change over time. Your best friends are the ones who tell you to cop the F on, not the ones egging you on to be a bigger loser.

    ML is correct here. The Israeli ambassador needs a right faceful and a concrete plan to get our people to safety. If they won't do that, what good are they to us?

    A stain is all they are.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,671 ✭✭✭brickster69


    Who is a resistance fighter resisting ? Right or wrong that is how most of the world see this, apart from a minority.

    Niccolò Machiavelli :

    "To ally with great powers to defeat your neighbour is a strategic trap; if you win, you become the slave of the greater power; if the allied power is defeated, you remain alone and defenceless against the angry neighbour, and you are destroyed." - Niccolò Machiavelli



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    People who follow popular hashtags may be but the absolute majority of people couldn't give a fiddlers over another middle east conflict ,



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 162 ✭✭onlymeself


    Oh right, so the Jewish Settlers were only interested in the land they had bought and owned themselves, they never even asked for the land they were going to be given as part of the partition plan. The Arabs were just trying to steal the land the Jews had bought is it? There's a hell of a lot more to it than that to say the least.

    And are you trying to make a point that because Arabs tried to take land that was legally owned by Jews it is now ok that Israel steals as much land as it sees fit and should not expect that the people who owned it should retaliate?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Any country that has intelligence operations over seas will use foreign pass ports it's was hardly new or suprising at the time ,I'm sure the Iranians - Americans do it .

    The biggest spy ring in Europe operates out of the Russian embassy on Orwell road



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,796 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    There's massive protests in tens if not hundreds of cities worldwide.

    I don't think there was such protest marches even for Ukraine. Probably have to go back to the war on terror launch in 2003 for a comparable scenario.

    And then, the same things were said, it was necessary to target the Taliban who wanted to destroy America, only terrorists would be targeted, it would be over quickly, it was justified.

    How did that pan out?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Tens of thousands world wide..

    That proves the point the absolute majority of people don't actually care unless it directly effect them



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,796 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    Tens of thousands........

    There have been a million people at various protests in London in the last few weeks. Go ahead and discount it, I don't care, it's probably the top 3 of simultaneous protests happening worldwide for the same issue in the last 20 years.

    But the core point of my post is what you should pay attention to. The 'official' line at the time of the Global war was found to be completely fabricated and counter to the will of the majority of people.

    The same is likely the case here.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,134 ✭✭✭crusd


    It is without question that the carpet bombing of Dresden and other German cities offered no military value and continued even when victory was inevitable and constituted war crimes by modern definition. It is also beyond question that the war against Germany was justified.

    Similarly targeting Hamas is justified however indiscriminate bombing resulting in 10’s of thousands if civilian deaths is a war crime. And it’s actually what Hamas want. The brainwashed Hamas fighter craves martyrdom, the Hamas leadership wants as many Martyrs as possible to try to rouse a unified Arab resistance . And Israel is happy to give it to them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 162 ✭✭onlymeself


    You haven't even the slightest clue about what the conversation was about.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,417 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 287 ✭✭dennis72


    Hamas murders and hostage takers anything else is anti democracy

    Iran is fueling discord I support Israel



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,671 ✭✭✭brickster69


    No i mean countries see things different ( Egypt is wrong ). Some see a resistance fighter others see terrorists.

    hamas.jpg


    Niccolò Machiavelli :

    "To ally with great powers to defeat your neighbour is a strategic trap; if you win, you become the slave of the greater power; if the allied power is defeated, you remain alone and defenceless against the angry neighbour, and you are destroyed." - Niccolò Machiavelli



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,007 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    A few of the lads here will be headhunted by this propaganda group for their expertise 😂

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



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