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The trial of Molly Martens

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,043 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Martens and her father may well have murdered Corbett. But that doesn't rule out him being a jerk himself nor that he may have been in a toxic relationship with her (the idea that he was a wonderful and kind family man who was murdered for no reason whatsoever doesn't actually make that much sense : there may have been some bad stuff going down before this, regardless of who initiated it).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 61,155 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    So wondering whether or not he was a jerk is important here?

    Nobody is claiming him to have been a saint..

    They absolutely murdered him, barbarically!!!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,043 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    I'm talking mainly about the Irish press narrative for the last few years of him being a wonderful family man who married a monster, who ended up murdering him. Is it accurate? I guess we'll learn more in coming weeks and months.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 61,155 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    She is a fooking monster. Did you hear what happened to him? What she and her father did to him?

    we won’t learn anything in the coming weeks, because he’s dead. All you’ll “learn” is likely fabricated lies by her and her defence team



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,370 ✭✭✭FishOnABike


    An oath? That will definitely get the truth out of her 🙄



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,466 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    One is reality. One is fairytales.

    Not hard to figure out.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,114 ✭✭✭Electric Sheep


    I wonder why he would hire an untrained woman that he had never met to be nanny to his children when his own sister ran a daycare. I also wonder where he advertised the job.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 379 ✭✭sugarman20


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,031 ✭✭✭✭irishgeo


    You have to wonder if she planned it all. Go to Ireland and basically seduce this widower to get the kids. I sure there was rows when she was constantly pestering him to sign over the kids. She had her father do it too.

    He moved to the USA for her and she still wasn't happy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,363 ✭✭✭prunudo


    Goes to show the importance of dotting the i's and crossing the t's. Our stretched health services dealing with a serious asthma attack, something that was deemed a tragedy and non suspicious is picked apart and questioned in a court room thousands of miles away.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 334 ✭✭Mo Ghile Mear


    The Irish times report on the trial says that jack (Jason’s son) sent a text message to molly after he had been brought back to Ireland. It said not to make it public but that he missed her and loved her. All this must be traumatising for his children. They obviously had a very good relationship with her. Their evidence will be very interesting now that they are looking at it all in hindsight.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,997 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    Back to the core, Jason Corbett was battered to death, Molly and her father didn't have a mark on them. Fairly simple.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,236 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    It's a bit mad that Irish media reports how the Sister was present but the court isn't hearing that?

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 174 ✭✭reggie3434


    Must be great to be so black and white about life, no one knows full story, why you so invested in one side?



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,232 ✭✭✭TooTired123


    I don’t agree. The Corbett family and their supporters have consistently painted Jason as saintlike, a tragic widower vulnerable to the womanly wiles of a sophisticated demonic American. It’s astonishing and almost criminal that this evidence wasn’t allowed at the trial.



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,232 ✭✭✭TooTired123


    But it turns out that it’s not as simple as that at all. That’s why this story has gone on for so long and has now taken a completely different course.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,997 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    No, the rest is irrelevent, a smoke screen. If there was a struggle as both say, they would have marks and injuries.



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,232 ✭✭✭TooTired123


    Facebook comments on these emotive long running sagas always shock me in how little comprehension there is out there of basic criminal justice procedures.

    The vast majority of the public out there supporting the Corbett family seem to think that the Martens paid for the medical expert yesterday to testify for the defence. 🙄

    They also think that this is a retrial. Too much TV in my opinion.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,149 ✭✭✭monkeybutter




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,149 ✭✭✭monkeybutter




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,149 ✭✭✭monkeybutter


    Or the guy isn't an expert in the processes followed in Ireland

    It doesn't matter diddly as all martens would have known was the report said asthma attack, her sister said asthma attack, he says asthma attack, she had the condition

    Nothing else

    It's rubbish, it's not evidence at all

    It's a thrown **** at the wall some will stick

    If they actually wanted the truth they would be looking to an Irish expert

    Not some clown reading a 10 year old report



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,206 ✭✭✭KaneToad


    She was a young, attractive woman. She would catch the attention of most red blooded males. Looks (clearly) aren't everything but it would seem that she was manipulative too.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,104 ✭✭✭plodder


    Not some clown reading a 10 year old report

    Just heard that on the radio now, it was extraordinary. You wonder will that "evidence" be rebutted in any way.

    “The opposite of 'good' is 'good intentions'”



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 61,155 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    There was no credible evidence other than fabricated defence lies by two killers.

    some a the guff people are entertaining here is sickening. Trying to see reasons and empathy with these two scumbags based off talk of whether or not Mr. Corbett was a saint..

    the man is dead, and the two killers have nothing to lose with trying to make folks believe that he somehow deserved to die..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44,337 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Ahhhh. He is the prosecutions expert witness.

    The defence haven't called there's yet.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,083 ✭✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    Yeah I mean it was just left out there- I find it extraordinary that they didn’t close that down better - if the judge gives this any credence at all in his sentencing then something stinks with this case- we’ll just have to wait and see.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,083 ✭✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    Well I do hope that’s how it pans out but something is making me uncomfortable about this .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,134 ✭✭✭crusd


    The "clown" was a prosecution witness. Why would the prosecution employ a witness to "throw **** at the wall". Now the emotive reaction here to this testimony is based purely on the headlines on it which say things like "Court told first wife did not die from asthma attack". Which is not what the court was told at all but people feel the need to react wildly to it becasue the headline does not align with the narrative that they have become heavily invested in.

    What the testimony actually said was based on the two page post mortem report the US pathologist could not conclude that it was asthma not that it definitely wasn't asthma. He said based on his reading of the report that "We have nothing to indicate the cause of death of this woman."

    Now the Irish coroner when completing the report would have had knowledge of the circumstances of death, probably that there were witnesses and access to medical history so based on there being no evidence to suggest it was anything else would have concluded that it was asthma. But as this "supplementary evidence" was never presented in coroners court it would not have been in the report, therefore the us pathologist would not have access. That is why he did not have enough evidence to conclude on cause of death.





  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,149 ✭✭✭monkeybutter


    The dirty deal has been done already this is window dressing



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  • Site Banned Posts: 2,931 ✭✭✭Musicrules


    Is there any evidence that he beat her? Police reports? Or is it just a statement from his kids? Sorry, has probably been stated, just hearing an update on the radio.



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