The reverse vending machines will accept both plastic PET drinks bottles and aluminium cans. For every unit deposited a customer will receive a €0.10 voucher in return with a maximum voucher limit of €2.
Currently only Lidl in Glenageary will accept empty cans and bottles
https://www.rte.ie/news/business/2021/0903/1244522-lidls-deposit-return-scheme/
Ahhhh completely mis-read what you were saying 👍️
And I should have quoted to post I was referring to.
No harm done.
I will never bother with this crap, I have recycle bin.
I walk to the local shops and then home and no local shop local will have the machine.
My local spar has the machine in a village (under 1500 people)
So many people are searching for any angle to try and make this a negative.
This operates in many countries. It operates successfully. There are no big queues. It doesn't increase waste charges. Small shops CAN take them if they wish to.
The absolute scourge of litter is plastic bottles / cans and coffee cups. Check any beach or park on a summer's day.
Yes, it will be a little bit of inconvenience, but you will see schools and other places use it as fundraisers just as happens elsewhere
Silly question , but if I buy a can a coke in a rural shop (no return machine) will they put the levy on and therefore are they obliged to accept empty can and give refund? Same goes for cinema which sells bottles.
It does increase waste charges. 25cent a bottle you don't get back if you use your green bin.
Shops opt in to doing the refunds. Every vendor is not obliged.
Vending machines will also charge.
So a shop can charge me more for a can or bottle but I'll be forced to go elsewhere to reclaim? Doesn't seem fair and can't see it increasing rates on impulse purchases like at cinema or Aviva stadium etc.
It would be impractical/impossible (vending machines, things like train trolleys) to make everywhere do returns. This is how it's done everywhere else I've ever encountered this system
Can one still buy in shop A and refund in shop B? Also is refund in form of cash or shop specific voucher? Thanks for answering.
I use my green recycling bin. And use it properly. This seems to make no sense for someone like me - or am I missing something?
Refund anywhere. Machine will give a coupon that can be redeemed for cash or used off your bill at equal value.
Nearly everyone else doesn't use it properly and about a third don't get to a recycling bin or even a normal bin where they might be separated at all
That was how it was done for years with the deposit on drinks bottles, every small shop that sold them had a stack of crates of empties. It was a case of the manufacturers wanting their bottles back. Now we have a system where the manufacturers and retailers want as little to do with the waste they create as possible.
Then they'll just be dumped next to the machine out of frustration and laziness. Irish arent like Dutch or German, we are a messy race.
Its estimated there will be approximately 2.5k reverse vending machines at or shortly after launch date. This figure is based on confirmed orders placed by the main retailers. Smaller retailers can operate on a barcoded bag collection system. Retailers under 150sq m (i think that size is correct) can apply to be exempt from collection - not from charging. voluntary groups will be able to apply to operate as collection points - the idea being that people will return the bottle to a charity or glub and not seek a deposit back.
I think most of the installed machines will go dark for a few weeks in January during which they will be hooked into the Re-turn IT network and then they go live on Feb 1.
there's a video doing the rounds on social media where a man has a bottle on a string and he's racking up credits with the same bottle, sounds like a plan lol
I'm broadly in favour of such a system until I hear more about how it will operate. Queue to use the machine, queue to get your cash back...
Typically I buy a tray of soft drink cans every once in a while. Rather than throwing them in the green bin I bring them to a Repak site when I'm getting rid of glass. How long would it take to feed twenty four cans into such a machine?
Having emptied the results of a party in Oregon back in to a machine there a decade ago, not very long.
Just another angle for producers/rerailers to knock another few cent onto something knowing full well a good majority of people wont bother their holes using it. Thats not a cynical viewpoint. Its fact.
No you're not missing anything, it is a new cost for you that can only be mitigated by jumping through a number of new hoops (store bottles/cans somewhere, bring them to a machine somewhere, queue up in shop to get your money back). It seems like an unnecessary pain in the arse and as someone pointed out earlier in the thread, feels like the real motivation is to line someones pockets.
I'd love know how much of our plastic is actually getting recycled versus paying some foreign company to take it and ending up dumped on the side of the road in a third world country. Personally I'd be willing to pay a few cents more, per bottle, for proof of recycling but logistically I doubt that is possible.
Interesting point about on sales rather than takeaway.
Will the deposit be charged on drinks bought for consumption on the premises ?
How will it work in restaurant/pub, cinema/theatre, sporting venues etc ?
Just reading up on this. The home page of the scheme says that "When you return your empty, undamaged container to any retail outlet, you get your deposit back in full" and "You can return your empty, undamaged drinks container, featuring the Re-turn logo, to any retailers that sells drinks in plastic and steel/aluminium cans"
They don't refer to any exemptions?
all information is here https://re-turn.ie/
Some large stores will have bulk machines that can process 100 bottle/cans a minute and you can literally dump a bag of empties in and at the other end of the scale, a small local shop that does not wish to have a machine, will take them manually just like the system in the 70's & 80's on glass bottles.
You can return any labeled bottle to any store that sells them. You have the choice of spending the value, getting cash or donating to charity. (hopefully they will have a choice of charities and local ones too)
The information there doesn't seem to be complete \ contradicts other information about there being an exemption for retailers under a certain size.
Neither of them get the money. The return operator gets it
This PDF explains how it will work for on sales
Businesses that predominantly cater for onsite consumption are not obligated to charge a deposit for in scope products
https://re-turn.ie/wp-content/uploads/2023/10/Hospitality-Summary-Info-Guide-1.pdf
Exemptions:
the following categories of retailers can apply to Re-turn for an exemption from the requirement to operate a takeback service from consumers:
https://www.mccannfitzgerald.com/knowledge/agri-food-and-drinks/coming-soon-irelands-new-deposit-return-scheme#:~:text=Exemptions%20from%20the%20Scheme,turn%20to%20avail%20of%20it.
Can you still bring those bottles elsewhere for the deposit?
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