Israel/Palestine Thread

Beyond the pale? Both antagonists? Are you equating Israel military operation to Hamas thugs terrorist attacks which murdered, raped, brutalised and kidnapped unarmed men, women and children, including Palestinians?

They certainly excuse civilians casualties as a collateral damage in the way other armies do. We sometimes hear the Russians say we dont target civilians or we were going after a military target when they kill civilians. That is very much excusing their actions

Also using a bunker bomb in a refugee camp is not minimising civilians casualties. They knew civilians would die but calculated it was worth it.

As mc Giver admitted a few posts up this war won't go long on that long. Biden has likely given Bibi a window. So Israel even if it could achieve its objectives- which isn't likely to - Biden won't give Bibi that long. Its going to end up in a ceasefire. Hamas maybe weakened but Gallant's objective of it being destroyed I very much doubt it- especially given the political leadership will still be in tact in Qatar.

Do you know who Mahomud al Zahar is? What is unusual about him Mc Giver?

This is what a Russian apologist would say, but you wouldn't accept it from them. Using a bunker buster bomb in a densely populated refugee camp is not miminmising casualties no matter how you try to spin in. We should really be grateful a mini nuke wasn't deployed.

But if a mini nuke was deployed, then that's ok, it wasn't a large nuke. That's classed as restraint in some people eyes.

I can remember outrage when the like of the US would use a drone to bomb a terrorists house and kill a few innocent civilians along with the target. We're now on to bombing refugee camps and people bending over backwards to defend it or justify it.

Bar the 700,000 Ukrainian children who have been disappeared by Russian force's into Russia

Says it all that all the people shouting murder / genocide / stop bombing children / stop bombing hospitals / stop bombing refugee canps never have any answer to that. Do they think anyone here is happy that there are civliian deaths, many children? It's awful, brutal.

But what other realistic way is there to remove Hamas?

Or should Israel just cease fire, retreat, and let new waves after waves of October 7th attacks come onto them and exterminate them? That is what Hamas announced yesterday that it will do

Would you accept this rationale if the situation was reversed, say scores of Israeli civilians were killed in a conventional war with one of its neighbours ,during what was deemed a self defensive measure, that from the enemies perspective they felt was necessary to save lives in the long run by weakening the military capability of the IDF to prosecute a war ?

I think in both scenarios the obligation is to minimise civilian casualties which the IDF didn't by using a bunker buster bomb in a refugee camp. Do these commanders live 24/7 in bunkers outside of war time by the way? There are other ways to get at them if you truly want to minimise civilian casualties.