Israel/Palestine Thread

runswithascript · 31-10-2023 10:12AM

The UN indeed did not condemn the attacks and they should, but this does not negate anything that the Secretary General or I said.

If something was incorrect or inaccurate, please tell me?

runswithascript · 31-10-2023 10:16AM

You just accused others of antisemitism in the same post where you complained of people accusing others of antisemitism.

The only long term solution is a two state solution, with fair borders.

Hey boy · 31-10-2023 10:16AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121303843#Comment_121303843

Thank you for taking the time to write all this. Sadly Hamas knew exactly what they were doing, having planned it for some considerable time, and knew exactly how Israel would react.

The heart of man is desperately wicked, beyond understanding.

Hamas need to go.

Israel need to make serious peace efforts when Hamas are gone.

silverharp · 31-10-2023 10:17AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121304208#Comment_121304208

Im not sure a paddy complaining about how Israel interprets their history is going to be terribly convincing? they know as a people that if they put their guns down they would be all dead in a week. Never again means exactly what it means

Hey boy · 31-10-2023 10:20AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121303867#Comment_121303867

Are there not tunnels and hamas there too given it’s gaza?

Nb. “?”.

Hey boy · 31-10-2023 10:22AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121303873#Comment_121303873

There are literally pages and pages on this earlier in the thread. You should read back.

runswithascript · 31-10-2023 10:22AM

Can you not see, Israel's actions are creating the next Hamas, if not a regional war or worse.

Hey boy · 31-10-2023 10:24AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121303964#Comment_121303964

You might want to rewrite that short post. You contradict yourself in it.

Igotadose · 31-10-2023 10:24AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121304301#Comment_121304301

As would inaction on their part. What do you suggest they do today? In a month? In a year?

runswithascript · 31-10-2023 10:24AM

Never again, no more concentration camps, unless you are a Palestinian.

Snooker Loopy · 31-10-2023 10:26AM

This seems pretty apartheid-like to me.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marriage_in_Israel#:~:text=In%20Israel%2C%20marriage%20can%20be,be%20registered%20by%20the%20government.

In Israel, marriage can be performed only under the auspices of the religious community to which couples belong, and inter-faith marriages performed within the country are not legally recognized.[1]

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Israel's religious authorities — the only entities authorized to perform weddings in Israel — are not permitted to marry couples where both partners do not have the same religion; the only way for people of different (or no) faith to marry is by converting to the same religion.

silverharp · 31-10-2023 10:30AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121304301#Comment_121304301

you are assuming there are good options , likely gaza ceases to exist so there certainly wont be a hamas on the west coast of Israel

Hey boy · 31-10-2023 10:30AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121304252#Comment_121304252

Good post.

I have no idea how to start one but go ahead please.

runswithascript · 31-10-2023 10:37AM

A proportionate response attempting to rescue hostages, recall the military resources that were diverted from the Gaza border defences to protect settlers ever encroaching further on the West Bank, recognise they are the occupying power and it does not matter their god promised the land to them, and then pursue peace and a two state solution with fair borders.

31-10-2023 10:39AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121304252#Comment_121304252

It's hard to discuss long term solutions until we see how far Israel go.

We know what their plans are, we've seen them, they want Palestinian land - all of it, every last square inch.

While everyone is focused on Gaza they're giving guns to settlers in the West Bank and the IDF, when they're not doing the killing, watch on as settlers do the killing.

What's the breaking point? How many Palestinians have to be massacred? How much Palestinian land has to be pillaged?

What do Palestinians have? Half of Gaza are literal children.

At what point, if any, does another country say "enough is enough" and get involved.

The most likely country that could meaningfully do anything at the moment is Turkey and we know how much Erdogan loves playing all sides to get what he wants to suit his own needs.

All in all, Palestinians are absolutely f*cked.

brickster69 · 31-10-2023 10:41AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121304166#Comment_121304166

But the UN vote condemned both sides for the atrocities committed and was voted down by some countries because they only wanted to name Hamas. So because certain countries are not able to bite the bullet and say the obvious "that both sides are wrong" they won't approve of a ceasefire or pause or whatever you want to call it. They are in fact giving the green light for this madness to continue.

And the longer it goes on these countries will be looked upon more and more as pariahs in the eyes of the global majority. By not condemning both sides, every individual or state is condoning Israels actions in this. Can you believe how totally delusional they look ?

Just as concerning is that fact that individuals and states don't seem to care what the vast majority think of them and just keep spouting out the same nonsense over and over again.

Grayson · 31-10-2023 10:41AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121304304#Comment_121304304

How about not kill children with 500lb bombs?

There's no-one here who doesn't believe that hamas shouldn't be brought to justice but how Israel are doing it is insane. Can you imagine of the british leveled an apartment building because they believed an IRA guy was in there? Can you imagine if Israel blew up an apartment building in Israel because they believed a Hamas guy was in there?

the fact is that they don't care about innocent Palestinians. I'd say that a lot of the time the buildings themselves are the targets. There's been thousands of civilians killed. How many Hamas fighters have been killed? The Israeli bombs don't seem to have a great rate of success at killing Hamas. It's not working, so why continue it?

Igotadose · 31-10-2023 10:42AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121304318#Comment_121304318

Religious apartheid, kind of like what happens in the other countries in the region (e.g., Egypt.) Religion is poison.

At least if you're registered as 'non-religious affiliation' in Israel, your marriage is recognized.

Igotadose · 31-10-2023 10:43AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121304372#Comment_121304372

O.K... how do you propose they root-out Gaza? Macron suggested an international coalition to treat Hamas like Isis is treated, so, send in more ground troops from various countries?

What do you suggest they do in a year?

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Timberrrrrrrr · 31-10-2023 10:51AM

Disgraceful showboating by the Israeli delegation to the UN

https://twitter.com/Kahlissee/status/1719193376761786769?t=VB9Cvz9bbjvAZiiBQQAC7Q&s=19

Toilet Seat Affliction · 31-10-2023 10:51AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121302707#Comment_121302707

The people calling for a ceasefire are hypocrites because they are Irish republicans. They supported the IRA during the troubles and therefore don’t give a fig about human rights. So their calls are shrouded in political interests not humanity. It’s a sinister world we live and the worst of all actors in this country are Irish republicans/Catholics. They don’t give a damn about peace.

chewed · 31-10-2023 10:52AM

..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vt20GUg7bUo

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Hey boy · 31-10-2023 10:54AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121304404#Comment_121304404

Someone else did earlier. Read the last 7 pages or so.

runswithascript · 31-10-2023 10:58AM

The only person I see mentioning Irish Republicanism is you...

Did you create an account just to post on a thread about Israel and Gaza complaining about Irish Republicanism? 😄

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Grayson · 31-10-2023 11:18AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121304378#Comment_121304378

Oh I see the game we're playing.

I say that killing children with bombs is wrong. And then you ask me what they should do instead. And if I can't answer with a well thought out plan covering the political and military aspects, which is 100% fool proof, then you get to say that killing children is right. is that the game?

How about they just don't drop bombs on kids. How about they actually take time to think it out. How about they involve all their regional partners and come up with a longer term solution.

But let me iterate, dropping bombs isn't working. It's not killing Hamas. It's killing thousands of innocent people.

Are you ok with the bombs being dropped?

Hey boy · 31-10-2023 11:18AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121304158#Comment_121304158

Scary.

Real whiff of anti-seminitism there.

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