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Dairy Chitchat 4, an udder new thread.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,288 ✭✭✭✭mahoney_j


    Was all for it after put smaXtec in …..you get to a point in early June where your fooked or very near it after spring ….silage and few weeks Ai …..fierce handy have bulls to let off ….heats still picked up …..heat detection/health systems like the invisible labour unit in yard 24/7 ….rank mine aa one of best investement dive made



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,558 ✭✭✭ginger22




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,906 ✭✭✭straight


    Milk is back alot and it's affecting their profits it looks like. But they told us the dairy side was barely profitable????



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,700 ✭✭✭jaymla627


    Isn't the average age of a dairy farmer supplying Kerry in the mid 60"s obviously you have operations where the younger generation is on farm and waiting to take over but their has to be a good % of farms that will simply wind up and exit dairying due to retirement, is the 6% drop the alarm bells ringing its occuring pretty rapidly



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 657 ✭✭✭Jack98


    Was told by regional manager here during the week 15 farmers exiting in our catchment area next spring.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,084 ✭✭✭kevthegaff


    I'm hearing lot of older dry stock farmers in one area gona put up their farms for lease next year, tide could turn very quickly



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 657 ✭✭✭Jack98


    The only way there would be a significant reduction in milk supplies is if the farmers who retire hold onto their farms for dry stock farming, if they lease whoever takes their farm will more than likely just up numbers and replace the milk they were producing in the supply chain.

    Large dry stock farmer not far from home has rented 300 acres out in the past few weeks on long term lease. One farmer milking 400+ cows and the other milking over 200 land is bounding both of them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,700 ✭✭✭jaymla627


    The above scenario only works in a situation like above where the land bounds dairy farms that have the scope and facilities to take on such blocks, the milk been lost where your 50-70 cow men exit won't be easily replaced especially with derogation issues after 2025, if it will even be renewed...

    Another issue that's going under the radar just like banding was is teagasc doing the research for the department re what slurry is been produced per cow I reckon they'll up the storage needed by 20 plus % just to really put the boot into dairy farmers



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,125 ✭✭✭50HX


    Is this not common practise in a lot of companies

    The last place I worked in had the option of buying shares, usually put the bonus into it, hold for 2 years to avoid the income tax etc



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,125 ✭✭✭50HX


    The kerry option is a portion of your wage every week, you can't buy a lump sum of shares in one go, it's spread out over the year



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,207 ✭✭✭daiymann 5


    Alot of these large block of lands are unsuitable at hig rent due to the land being run down and are usually kips some auld lad claiming sfp for the last 20yrs lieing in the house all day no fert buy a few cattle in spring no fences yard falling down with lower sfp every year and its reduced spending power more of these kips are coming upf or rent every year.A well cared for and maintained farm is hard found for lease or sale



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,558 ✭✭✭ginger22


    Think you missunderstood. It is Kerry Group buying back their own shards to try to send a signal to the market to stop the share value slide.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,797 ✭✭✭awaywithyou


    given how much you dislike our milk purchaser you must be delighted at this turn of events... anyone that sold their shares at 120euro/share must be laughing now....



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,558 ✭✭✭ginger22


    They reap what the sow, arrogance coming back to bite them now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,434 ✭✭✭cute geoge


    I hate the bastards but glanbia buying back shares have driven on share price big time .

    Have they the big mess in the U.S. sorted ,this is probably the big drag on the share price and I wonder is there any more bad news in the U.S.

    The share price will hardly bother the aul lads sitting pretty and it might be a good time to roll the dice and pick up a few k worth



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 657 ✭✭✭Jack98


    That’s the way things have been going for a long time now and eventually it’ll probably be all large scale producers I can’t see the milk pool taking any large hit, we have 4/5 guys within less than 7/8km that will take any farm that comes up all milking large numbers, several with large income outside of dairy very hard to compete with them.

    Would annoy you if you had to compete against them but they are model tenants wherever they take, turn places inside out.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,558 ✭✭✭ginger22


    That would vary depending on the part of the country and the farm size structure. In the Kerry catchment it is smaller farms, wont be viable for leasing as stand alone units. Would need at least 200 plus cows before employing managers etc.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 657 ✭✭✭Jack98


    You’ll have people stocking the milking platform as high as they can get away with too and using rented smaller farms as you call them for silage and possibly heifers if stocking rates allow. We have a very fragmented farm if land was ever to become available next to us it would make more sense to push numbers on and cut out all the dry cattle you’d probably have less work and more money in your pockets for it too.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,010 ✭✭✭weatherbyfoxer


    Was talking to glanbia rep recently about looking for a contract to become a milk supplier,she said they are very egar for new suppliers and have removed the requirement for new applicants to have a minimum amount of shares.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,757 ✭✭✭Grueller


    Buying shares is no harm really. I bought them when starting and the last spinout just about paid for them.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,435 ✭✭✭Lime Tree Farm


    They either want to prop up their share price or prevent a buy out. Wonder will they too delist from Irish Stock Exchange.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,405 ✭✭✭green daries


    They are going to do something around the grazing platform mark my words ....if they had the no how the would have it done already



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 657 ✭✭✭Jack98


    How are they getting away with it out in the continent so? We’re in the eu so it would have to be rolled out eu wide, how would their indoor systems with little ground around the milking enterprise survive? Or do you just think the powers that be are prepared to sacrifice farming altogether.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,700 ✭✭✭jaymla627


    Simple answer is it doesn't matter really to the majority of confinement systems in the EU, slurry is exported off-farm to meet the 170kgs/n rule, land availability is far more accessible and you haven't sky high rents in the main, Ireland and its grass based intensively stocked platform is a total outlier, compared to what 95% of dairy farms in Europe are at



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 657 ✭✭✭Jack98


    Surely then the most logical thing that will happen will just be a 170 across the board in Ireland in 2026 as well then too, can’t see them touching milking platform stocking rates. Saying that it won’t pay for people to rent or buy land to maintain higher stocking rates on milking platform then.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,797 ✭✭✭awaywithyou


    front page of the comic doesn't make for pretty reading regarding the new rules being proposed by the Nitrates review committee...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,797 ✭✭✭awaywithyou


    gillian o'sullivan in this weeks farming independent wrote about having french farmers on her farm recently... it was mentioned that land could be rented in France for 40euro/acre....



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,207 ✭✭✭daiymann 5


    There up to every trick in the book to get cow numbers down and its working who ever is comeing up with these new rules banding is a genius not one protest on banding and farmers fell for it.These measures dont cost a euro unlike the dairy retirement scheme that some heavy debted farms wudvlove



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,386 ✭✭✭alps


    System will go indoors at 170 as growing a grazing platform to the requirement will prove impossible, but fedd in slurry out from fragmentations will be possible.

    No threat to leaching on most grassland soils at 500kg loading (chemical/organic combined).

    Totally different on the mainland where average grass cover is only at 20% of overall.

    Their capacity to utilise a N loading is much lower.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,386 ✭✭✭alps


    Stocking rate on milking platform will cone in if they can find a mechanism to police it.

    This will mean slurry removal of the grazing platform.

    Higher stocked farms are housed longer and don't necessarily excrete their numerical loading onto the platform.

    Cows out by day/in by night might only spent 3 to 4 hkurs outside by day, with 20 hours slurry collected inside.

    Calculations can be made around this as long a slurry is taken away from the platfkrm and maintain application under 500..



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