What is the average salary in Ireland if we were to exclude minimum wager jobs such as retail 70 to 100k would be my guess.
My aunt is 51, divorced about 20 years ago or more, lives in a 3 bed council house on her own, next door sold for over €400k last year. No idea how much rent she pays the council.
She hasnt worked, ever. Her 2 kids are grown up and moved out 10 or 12 years ago. She brags that she just went to the doctor about her "bad back" years ago and that she can stay on the dole/sick or whatever its called when you have a bad back. She does not have a bad back at all.
She is in Spain with her mates every few weeks. Driving a 2 year old Audi. Bought garden furniture in the summer worth €6000. Got a new patio the year before. She gets medical card, fuel allowance, house, and whatever else she can squeeze out of the social welfare.
Has the life of Riley. I often wondered if you could find out her income what would it have to be if she had to pay tax on it. Because noone else I know who is working can afford the lifestyle that she has.
Nope, I mean people spending much more than they earn, by and large on materialistic or tokenistic trappings or services, hugely influenced by celebrities who actually have the finances to afford these products/services and in all likelihood also get paid to promote them to the gullible who can't actually afford them (so in all likelihood are compelled to borrow to do so or forego essentials for the image benefits)
Yet savings are very strong?
The three people I know on Disability Allowance (DA) would not be considered disabled by most reasonable people.
The numbers on DA have risen rapidly.
That speaks to my previous post.
To match someone on Disabilitys lifestyle in Dublin, that has their home paid for by the council, You'd need to be earning around 60k.
Social homes like that should be house shares. The other 2 rooms should be used to house people on the social housing list. Now the kids are gone.
It's pretty poor to be honest given the amount of money being washed through Ireland. Especially if you consider the big chunk of taxes taken off of that and then the (very) high cost of living.
What's the 90th percentile in the US?
In the US most middle managers in a large company could easily be on 100k and up I reckon.
I would expect the US 90th percentile to be higher than Ireland's, but that's because incomes are more unevenly distributed in the US than in Ireland. In the US, a household at the 90th percentile income level has an income about 6.2 times greater than a household at the 10th percentile income level; in Ireland the ratio is more like 3.8 times greater. So, even if overall income levels were the same, you would expect the US household at the 90th percentile to have a greater income than its Irish counterpart, but the US household at the 10th percentile to have a smaller income than its Irish counterpart. Comparing countries on the basis of their 90th percentile or their 10th percentile is likely to tell you more about how evenly income is distributed within each country than it is about how high overall income levels are in each country.
Having said all that, per the US 2021 census, the 90th percentile of household income is $212,100 (= about €200k at todays exchange rate). But note that's household income, not just earnings. And, more to the point, it's total household income, so it can't really be meaningfully compared to Irish data on individual income. Presumably a great many US households will include 2 earners, and some will include more than 2.
Like my relations.
Husband on long-term JSA, wife on long-term DA (she is not disabled)
He is busy with nixer for several months, 40k gross I estimate (not net, there are costs)
They had a second-hand AUDI Q5.
I estimate they received 100k in third-level college fee and cash grants.
Great country.
Structure of Earnings Survey 2022
The CSO published the 2022 today,
Interesting that women in part-time jobs have a higher median hourly rate than men do.
My guess is that this is because female-dominated skilled occupations (e.g. nursing, teaching) have a higher hourly rate than unskilled occupations, but are more likely than male-dominated skilled occupations to accommodate part-time working.
maybe this person has 10k bonus and 60k shares. so total package works out 150k?
I am not sure if my salary is presenting the mid-high range.
after working in the company for 15 years, with 3 promotions, now I am owing 116k base, 15k bonus and 80k shares in USD. total package is 200k
and I know in our company, there's about 400 people in my salary range and even higher. they are managers, directors.
Then also there are 100-200 people who are software and hardware eng that they own more than me. They are not managers but high tech.
Our company has total 6-7k employees. so the percentage is around 9% in this range.
The reason I know the high tech salary is because my husband is one of them.
Thats why I am not surprised when I see people say they make 150k.
However, there are only limited tech companies offer shares, this is the part really make difference.
And then you have dentist, GP, doctors, Lawyers, those categories are high income group too....
Are the 80K worth of shares handed over every year or is this a one off offer?
I think all the tech companies are the same. It’s a 4 year vest. But once you worked there more than 4 years, you will be getting that much yearly. It’s before tax. After tax it’s about half left.
Hear, hear - Carer's, Disability and Jobseeker's Benefit should be increased, significantly. Especially Carer's, they save the taxpayer billions per annum (vs if the state provided those services instead), and it's a disgrace they get paid peanuts. Plus there's a complicated and lengthy means testing which is frankly humiliating.
Secondly, I don't understand how JSA with basically no ROI on that - it's a pure waste of human potential and taxpayer's money - can be higher than Carer's which has a clear ROI for the state and society. Also, I don't understand how JSA can be the same as JSB. It's totally and fundamentally wrong, but here we go. You're totally entitled for a decent JSB if you've worked hard, paid to the system and contributed to the budget. You should get reasonably rewarded for contributing not given the same as someone who's never contributed. That's how it works in most EU countries.
Strange. I wouldn't be telling anyone what I earned regardless. The missus doesn't even know what I earn.
I can't think of one close friend that I know their salary of or if they've ever even mentioned it.
I'll never understand the fascination
Broadly speaking, you are suggesting that SI benefit rates be higher than social assistance rates (SA).
Many people agree with you.
Leo Varadkar seems to agree, and is (slowly) introducing pay-related JSB, higher than JSA.
It's crazy that long-term JSA get the Xmas bonus, but JSB don't.
I would go further, and improve JSB, but abolish JSA.
Your wife doesnt know what you earn?
As many of my friends and relations are public servants, I can look up their wages.
A couple I know often complain about third level costs, yet we know they are on 180-190k gross!!
No. Why would she need to?
Your wife doesn't know what you earn? I find that bizarre.
I've no idea what she earns either.
I mean we both know the industry and job title and roughly the sort of money one can demand in it.
Hahahahahahah
Yes, that's what I suggest.
That's extreme, but reduction of JSA and converting JSB to a merit based concept is certainly needed. One size fits all is a wrong concept, it's not fair either.
Do you have a link for that?
I made a submission to the consultation on JSB:
There are EU countries with JSB, but with no JSA.
When people say average wage, do they mean base wage or total compensation? In the figures reported - assume people who say they earn 100k+ - half that's probably bonus share schemes etc
Ridiculous.
Jaysus 🤦🏻♂️ sounds like a great relationship.
I don't think it's a fascination.
I think that it helps with equality in the workplace. I get paid more than some and less than others, and I know how far I can push at my next wage review.
I suppose it depends on workplace culture. Begrudgery and jealousy from others can be a great reason to keep your earnings private.
