Better off sending them to the factory. If that is the price they are only making.
Go try and buy some or ring a farmer up they wont sell cheap.Pick there worst heifers out all u hear is what it cost to rear them if thats the buyers problem
Yeah lets start a trend like the bull calves dont give them to anyone cheap incase they make money on them lets slaughter them.Alot of incalf heifers wud struggle to make 8 in factory.Better of selling now theres a winter ahead of these heifers.
Don't think it's an option as they are in calf longer than 5 months now. Estrumate is for up to about 100 days. Options are limited
The government is looking after the big boys again 70 percent grant for anyone who will have contract to import slurry.Lets be honest with all the red tape to get the money only the big will apply grants for underpass sure 50 cows farmers wont apply.
Would ye not prefer to buy calved heifers next spring if there’s going to be a glut of dairy stock about, don’t have the cost of wintering them but granted you’d probably have to pay a bit extra and get no calf off them but you don’t know what you have with a heifer until she’s calved?
Whats people experience of fleckvieh cows?..are they worth looking into or is the EBI type the way to go as a start up herd
I thought you were a big boy farmer ? Sure this will suit you ?
I’ve no experience with them but I would prefer the high ebi type Friesan
those flechs are heavy and would eat a lot more for the same amount of milk solids
The high ebi seem to be the route to go according to most people
That's what happens or else export
Heifers for €800? Fill your boots time I’d have thought for the regulars that pass their days on here being bitter about dairy farmers.
If that was even near to what they’ll actually make I think it would be time to cut the passengers and restock with quality stock, but can’t see them going that low.
Supply and demand, what's the export market like?
No experience of flecks. But they seem to have the capacity for big volume yields. Some people say there's a temperament issue when training in crossbreds.
There's an organic farmer not far from me has gone flecks for a few years. So he's milking second calvers now. And he's gone crossing those now with brown Swiss. His aim is a three way cross I believe. Whether that'll be Norwegian Red or freisian again for the third cross is another thing.
You can't kill hybrid vigor.
Ebi thing is promoted here too as the ai companies want bull replacement sires for national and international business.
The same would be said of breeders and ai companies in Austria of flecks, and Austria, Switzerland of Brown Swiss.
Milk price effectively halved because of a 2% increase in supply and decrease in demand, the heifer market isn't any different and theirs a host of factors that alone would hammer price this year on their own let alone combined , beef value is all alot of dairy stock are worth now unless their exceptional well bred animals which of course will command a premium
And why should they sell cheap ….in calf heifers at 800/1000 euro are loss making ….14/1500 needed to cover cost minimum
Good well bred heifers are still making a lot more than that ….it’s a difficult market tho I will admit atm
There was 3 fr heifers in the mart Monday 20months old , run of the mill high ebi munster bred 531 kg €1120. They would have been fed ration with a month.
Thats not the buyers problem alot of high ebi heifers would make very little when calved the udders are worse every generation feet are like butter mik yield average is ok but varianle.Fertility is excellent but variable.Gave up buying directly of farmers the whining wud depress me.
Whining from you or them ?
Lad i can rear my heifers for 700 im not paying contract rearer or renting land at 500 the graze rough old pasture for second year no fert so i cud sell for 700 if in need to
Them usually they turn nasty and start shouting abuse if i dont buy real little spoilt child attiude and if the farmer wife is involved i wouldnt get out of the jeep
You are in your shite rearing an in calf heifer for that …..if u are they’re well short of target weights and you’d have no buyer for them ….bad and all as market currently is string well bred maidens/in calf heifers with records will command a good premium
If that’s the case hang up the clusters you’d make a nice income at beef for a lot less work you’d want to run those figures lol
Ebi is a disaster yes milk and fertility figures are true but the cows have poor udders feet and dont last.No one inspectsvthe daughters of bulls for udder feet in legs its donebin nz.Scc is also becomeing a problem after being solved by yearsvof usa and european genetics.Mostof our ebi bulls are bred from indoor holtein cross nz friesian making the resulting cow a crossbred with variability some soft some hardy same with scc.Nz scc is tested on pasture
Not worth it imo, have a few fleck cross here and they're fine in terms of temperament and that but eat more are heavier and regular black and whites would beat them on the milk front. Have one high yielder but her mother was a Canadian bred cow and this one's solids are low. Have a Jersey calf off her this year so will see how a 3 way cross works.
Find cows from a decent herd with good supply figures if you can, start off with as good as you can. Fair enough calves have to be sold but milk pays the bills
I say he is bang on the money if his system is under 170kgsN/HA, not renting land and not employing labour. He might actually be able to knock 50-100/ heifer off that if he was a bit more efficient.
Many dairy farmers do not understand the way costs escalate as stocking levels increase
Those are the figures I expect in a low cost beef system. I would expect to get an animal to 22 months quite easily for that in an efficient beef system tested my round bales. First cut taken approx the 25th May is testing 44DM and 78DMD.
No need for ration with that over the winter with weanlings or incalf heifers. Cost is 31/ bale ( admittedly no mythical land or labour charge) everything but the drawing and fertlizer spreading done by the contractor
Had a lad ring me this morning to say the calves he bought of me in the spring are smashers. Nice to get a call like that. Rather than lad's complaining all the time
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