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Israel/Palestine Thread

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,325 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump



    The analogy might have been asking DeVelara to condemn the people who killed others to escape from Sobibor.

    Nobody would condone what was done. Nobody. But on one side you have a people who are caged up and oppressed with no opportunities for literally decades and decades. And as soon as "that side" does something evil, you have an immediate pile-on looking for condemnation.

    There are international resolutions going back nearly 50 years that Israel just ignores. And people ignore that they ignore them.



  • Posts: 593 ✭✭✭ Willow Fresh Ballerina


    They stopped responding after being challenged on it.

    “Nope. Now stop changing the subject and answering a question with a question. 

    You just compared attacks on enemy military personnel. I'm talking about murdering grannies. 

    Do you condemn the targeting of civilians, including women, children and pensioners, in the recent Hamas attacks? 

    It really is a simple yes/no answer. No need for any deflections.”

    I’d be interested to hear their response to the question



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,665 ✭✭✭brickster69


    Post edited by Boards.ie: Mike on

    The old world is dying, and the new world struggles to be born: now is the time of monsters. — Antonio Gramsci



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 569 ✭✭✭Long Sean Silver


    well what did they really expect. hampers & goody bags? HAMISIS will be delighted. more ready recruits. more willing martyrs. mare anti-Israeli sentiment.

    Post edited by Boards.ie: Mike on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,665 ✭✭✭Cordell


    No, what's scummy is to suggest (masquerading it as a question) that Israel did this to their own people.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,933 ✭✭✭tesla_newbie


    the media usually don’t criticise a leader in times like this in any country, that Haretz is coming so hard and so early after Bibi is astonishing , he has always nakedly stirred tension in the occupied territories for political gain and now it’s come back to bite him, his legacy is ruined regardless of what happens now

    one thing you can’t say about Israelis is they don’t discuss things , they argue until the cows come home about everything and Bibi will not be spared analysis despite the slaughter



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,325 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump



    Nothing will happen to them and they know it. They'll cut off everything, then go in heavily armed in their tens of thousands and leave thousands of bodies in their wake. They know that in a couple of weeks it will all be forgotten about by everyone else except the Palestinians.



  • Posts: 2,263 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Even Hezbollah released a statement saying that Iran was directly involved in this latest episode.

    I would suggest we at least take Hezbollah's word on the matter. They have no reason to lie.




  • Posts: 6,626 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Such civilian killings are routine in Palestine.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,242 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    Post edited by Boards.ie: Mike on


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 627 ✭✭✭Mullaghteelin


    If Palestinians continue to support and vote for Hamas, it is very difficult, logically speaking, to see them entirely as blameless victims.

    Their willingness to vote for blood-thirsty fanatics and uncivilized barbarity should be called out as part of the problem.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,325 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump



    The IDF are supposed to be world leaders in intelligence gathering.

    How can a British journalist know more about meetings and plannings than they did 3 days ago?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,013 ✭✭✭thomas 123


    There we go - well tell that to the poster then and don’t just go around saying it’s due to some Israelies being Jewish.

    See now your having a conversation - congratulations.



  • Posts: 6,626 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Every IDF incursion into Gaza will result in hostage deaths. It's not obvious that it will end how people imagine it will. Loss of hostages will be unacceptable to Israel.

    The hostages were taken for strategic reasons and will be a significant leaver in how this plays out.



  • Posts: 2,263 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Israel currently under heavy rocket attacks all throughout the country, including Ben Gurion Airport, according to recent reports.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,933 ✭✭✭tesla_newbie


    a few things which are undeniable

    israel is a country since 1948 and will remain a country

    israel engages in land theft in order to grow

    the Palestinians are penned in

    the Arab countries in the region not only do fcuk all for the Palestinians, they use their plight cynically to pander to the prejudices of their own populations as a way of diverting attention from domestic troubles

    all Arab cultures have a hang up about Jews and this is their issue to fix , Israel is stealing land but Israel is not the root cause of their ( Arab population, not Palestinian )problems



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,306 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    If they continue like this for a few months there will be nothing left just like Aleppo.

    I'm on the verge of a site ban. Please don't rage bait me, I'm easily triggered especially late at night!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,842 ✭✭✭Francis McM


    Israelis will not give in to blackmail. Israel will retaliate and rightfully so.

    Shame on Sinn Fein for supporting Hamas. Not surprising I suppose, bit done terrorist attacks, kidnappings, etc.



  • Posts: 7,522 ✭✭✭ Bella Slow Strawberry


    Yes.

    it’s not our fight, it’s not our problem and the damn countries already bursting at the seams.

    Let someone else deal with it we can’t keep picking up the pieces when far away lands that have nothing to do with us start fighting.

    Post edited by Boards.ie: Mike on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,242 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    Given the scale of the attack, the dead, injured and kidnapped. There will be very few in Israel who are not friends with or related to someone involved. Proportionally it is much bigger than 9 11.



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  • Posts: 2,263 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    All of this death and destruction could have been avoided had Hamas not instigated this war against Israel.

    Hamas cannot portray themselves as the victims here. Every death, both in Israel and Gaza, is a direct consequence of their reckless stupidity.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,020 ✭✭✭boetstark


    Have you actually informed yourself on the facts around the history of this conflict.

    You do realise that this area was a homeland to Jewish people going back centuries.

    The Balfour agreement post ww1 gave Palestinians a separate state.

    The United nations general assembly in 1948 established 2 states. Accepted by Jews rejected by Palestinians and neighbouring Arabs.

    Israel was attacked by surrounding countries in 1948 including Palestinians. Israel won that conflict and yes took more land than originally granted. 850000 Palestinians displaced and Jewish people from neighbouring Arab countries entered Israel.

    1967 israel attacked again in 6 day war by a coalition of Arab states.

    Oslo accord 1993 established a pathway for peace between Palestinian Authority and Israel.

    But no once again the pa were ousted by Palestinians and hamas elected. This same Hamas who 100% want the state of Israel destroyed.

    Please spare me the crap all you lefties hand wringing free Palestine propaganda. You haven't a clue , just jumping on a tag line.

    Same in 70's and 80's anti apartheid movement. Destroyed a country , look at what it is now.

    Neither party is an angel in this conflict but people need to read the history before making black and white opinions.

    I believe in the right of Palestinians to exist in peace in their own homeland as prescribed by UN in 1948.

    That Palestinian state must also respect the right of Israel to exist without the threat of destruction and terrorism as a constant threat.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,035 ✭✭✭Feisar


    Retaliate and rightfully so? Look at that video on twitter. Is that rightful retaliation? Innocents are being blown to bits. Two terrorist organisations going at it as far as I can see.

    First they came for the socialists...



  • Posts: 2,263 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I agree; the sheer scale of the attack makes it worse than 9/11 for Israel.

    US has a population of 330 million and suffered 3,000 deaths in 9/11. Israel has a population of just under 10 million, and suffered (so far) almost 800 deaths. As you say, proportionally, the scale of this attack can reasonably be considered their "9/11 moment".



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,503 ✭✭✭howiya


    Some of this death and destruction could still be avoided.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,395 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    Only two words to describe this: War Crime

    Israel will I fear go completely OTT and bitterly regret it afterwards.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 52 ✭✭Hummingbird Project


    The issue is the threat to the existence of Israel and the Jews. What happened in the holocaust justifies them disproportionately neutralising any threats to their races existence and homeland.

    It is literally life or death for their race. Not the same for the Muslims in Gaza. They have the whole Middle East so these sob stories of imprisonment and torture are just that.

    Why don’t the Gazans move elsewhere ? Why because they want to justify their hatred and bondage to a piece of land by invoking their own torture by refusing to quit and go elsewhere.

    The bible guarantees Israel to the Jews. Any dispute of that fact is jealousy of Gods chosen race as stated in the bible. And hypocritically it comes from people who call themselves strict Catholics in Ireland. The hypocricy is unbelievable.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,933 ✭✭✭tesla_newbie


    I said Israel is not the cause of the problems of other Arab populations, my point was that other Arab governments in the region point to Israel in order to distract from the domestic problems facing their citizens

    even Israel withdraws to the 1967 border ( and they should) , it would not fix the hang up a lot of Arab populations have about a Jewish country being a neighbour, that is on them , not Israel

    Post edited by Boards.ie: Mike on


  • Posts: 6,626 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Jews made up the smallest proportion of the population of Palestine before the Balfour declaration.

    Almost all Zionists in Palestine were recent immigrants. A coordinated army of occupation.

    The early Zionists forced the Balfour declaration by many acts of terrorism against the Arab population.

    Finally the British had no right to gift lands that were not their own.



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  • Posts: 2,263 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    If Israel were not to respond forcefully, it would be considered weak - and this would embolden Hamas to orchestrate further attacks in the future.

    There is no optimum solution here. What we can say with certainty is that it was completely avoidable.



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