A pit bull dog below in Wexford the latest episode of a child been savaged . Are these dogs suitable for pets .
PS The only people with Pitbulls or similar in our town are involved in drug dealing and or general criminality.
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xhomelezz
Red herring. The dog was potentially dangerous to us as kids would you have preferred that he killed one of us instead?
I've asked you for a full story you posted here. Simple.
I propose to do nothing? Really? Your selective reading is amazing.
But at least you've finally found the culprit behind the problem. And I guess you are not expecting dogs sort that problem? So who is left to sort out?
Instead of blaming dogs as it's popular in these quarters.
He kills another creature in the family and you say it was needless that he be put down!
Pay attention to breeders and owners. Makes more sense to me. Yeah I know, it's more complicated than shouting ban ban ban.
It's not more complicated at all, because what you're proposing is to do absolutely nothing, which is the simplest thing you could possibly propose.
Breeders and owners are the reason this issue exists. They are the cause of the problem, expecting them to solve it is unrealistic, to say the least.
The video further down in the article showing the kid being attacked is scary, despite 3 adults trying to get it away from the kid, it was determined to savage the poor kid. They seem to have a real killing instinct bred into them.
Well we'll see how that works in the UK in near future, DNA labs will be under the pressure soon and dog wardens will be equipped with this at the end..
And this
Apologies for interrupting, but you've completely missed the question ..
None of the bans actually worked so.. Be my guest and show me how would it neatly as you say sort it. Unless ban is some kind of magic word people look up to, can't see it working.
And you know, read the whole text, take a deep breath, read it again and think for a while. It's better practice, instead of quoting some parts of what she says, without the context..
Or live in your fantasy that small dog can have a happy free roam in a small garden.
You want to keep the dog, you need insurance, registered and the bitch has to be spayed. They don't round up all the dogs and kill them. You won't be able to get public liability though so your option will be never let the dog out in public or put it to sleep.
How would banning of a particular breed work? Is there scientific test, a genetic test maybe, that would determine the breed? What if the dog is a mongrel and is part one of the banned breeds? What would the percentage have to be for it not to be killed? Less than 50%, less than 20%, less than 5%? Or would any trace of the banned breed mean the dog must die?
I think the solution I have put forward - ban all large dogs in urban areas - neatly sorts the problem.
After all, the excellent expert advice found and posted by @xhomelezz was that "larger dogs are more likely to cause significant injury in the event of an attack."
It is also easier to enforce because just looking at the dog will tell you.
You know ban doesn't work like that don't you, at least not from the start. And even later is not as easy.
And even if you think it's that easy, how does it come, basic rules when it comes to ownership of dogs, are kind of ignored by some. No consequences, no nothing. But ban will sort about everything right.. Come on..
Pay attention to breeders and owners. Makes more sense to me. Yeah I know, it's more complicated than shouting ban ban ban. And my sincere apologies for putting the brain of few here under the unwelcome pressure.
It would allow dogs to be seized before they injure or kill someone.
As things stand, a dog is only considered "dangerous" after it attacks, and that's the whole problem.
No it wouldn't, it's that simple.
A friends dog was killed by a pit bull and when he called in ready to strangle the owner he found a very upset couple with a scrote of a son who actually owned the dog , no offense to young people but this guy just got the dog for image proposes
Anyway, what do you think ban will achieve? Even basic rules around the ownership of the dogs are not followed and enforced.
Yes, but it would solve 90% of the dog biting problems.
It's hilarious how somebody just posted "breeds like XL bullies are associated with increased numbers of deadly attacks is because of their size: these larger dogs are more likely to cause significant injury in the event of an attack" as though this is an argument not to ban them.
That's EXACTLY WHY they need to be banned.
And not phased out, or neutered and chipped. Rounded up and destroyed.
Well that's your idea, not hers. And it will never happen, you would have to ban anything starting with dogs size of the lab.
The reason that breeds like XL bullies are associated with increased numbers of deadly attacks is because of their size: these larger dogs are more likely to cause significant injury in the event of an attack.
Pretty much backs my idea of banning larger dogs too.
There is no scientific consensus that particular breeds are more likely to act aggressively than others," Carri Westgarth, the chair in Human-Animal Interaction at the University of Liverpool in the U.K., told Newsweek. "Dogs of all breeds are represented in the dog bite records and we know there is wide variation in behavior between individuals within a breed. There are also genetic tendencies towards aggression within particular breeding lines, so with any breed, breeding for good temperament is vitally important. Other factors such as socialization, training methods, and health, are significant for a dog's risk of aggression."
"The announcement of a ban raises many questions that must be considered," Westgarth said. "Key to the ban is the statement about looking into defining the XL bully breed before it can be banned—however, proving a dog's particular breed is difficult, especially when that breed is not recognized by most kennel clubs, and looks similar to other breeds. This has complicated the application of the current legislation concerning pitbull types, and likely will again with XL bullies, which are also just one size type of the American bully."
"It also raises the question whether banning a single breed will encourage those who want to own such a type of dog [to] turn to owning and breeding other types, as happened with the development of the American bully after pitbulls were banned," she said. "Overall, experts, including anti-bully groups, agree that if dog bites are to be effectively reduced, much more intervention and legislation [is] needed than simply banning one breed."
Westgarths quote.
As for the size of the garden. The bigger the better of course, for any breed. But again not important really..
It goes on to quote others who represent dog owners, not really interested in what they have to say.
Still think banning all large dogs in urban areas is the way to go. Fairly simple to implement that.
I think you should read it all again..
He's doing it wrong. I think it would be a lot scarier if the drug dealer showed up with a pug or a bichon frise.
She said and I quote "f dog bites are to be effectively reduced, much more intervention and legislation [is] needed than simply banning one breed"
So she is calling for further measures beyond just banning breeds. I have no problem with that.
For example, there should be a general ban on large dogs in urban areas, there simply isn't enough space in 99% of gardens for large breeds to roam freely and happily.
I see one of our local drug runners in our village walking around with one of these American Bully Dogs last weekend , calling to a parents house looking for cocaine debts their 17 year old son owe his traveller drug boss.
All part of living in County Limerick in 2023
Why don't you tell us the whole story of what happened.. I know you've posted it here before, but new posters probably didn't bother to go through the thread from the start. You know, just to show them why was a dog needlessly put down. And don't forget to add that part about blooding..
Had one of them when I was a kid. Parents told to put it down after it killed another pet.
And hospitalized the owner in the process, in case anyone thinks these f**king things are actually capable of loyalty or obedience.
This was a Staffordshire terrier btw, another abomination of a thing.
