Maybe, it's just the media, but is anyone getting strong Third World vibes off the UK at the moment?
Appreciate there are nuances but I was specifically referring to a mindset, in the I'm alright Jack, pull up the drawbridge mentality. My experience of both sets of people across both countries reflect that, rather than how they got to that.
When you add in family and chronies, probably a couple of thousand... to the detriment of a nation.
Nigel Farage and his crew ae still doing quite well, so that's nice I suppose.
For nearly half a century the UK was the second biggest net contributor to EU coffers, so if it is now giving off third world vibes, whose fault is that?
I think the UK should also cut what it gives to the real third world ....The UK spent $15.7 billion in aid ( much of it to countries like Afghanistan, Nigeria, Pakistan, Ethiopia and Yemen ) in 2022 slightly down from $15.8 billion in 2021.
Even if it gave some of that to us to develop parts of our north side inner city Dublin, or to build an underground or some sort of Dublin transport system, it would be great.
There's a strong arguement to say they owe countries like Afganistan & Yemen allot more than $16b... They are a disgrace for what they did to the people of Afaganistan & their support for the brutal Saudi's in Yemen are extreme... but we just seem to accept it.
Ireland is wasting money, getting things wrong... we just need to get our act together.
If the USA and UK did not go in to Afghanistan, they would not have been able to nip over the border to get Bin Laden next door?
Is that what you would have liked, Bin Laden to get away with the 9/11 attacks and probably carry out further but larger attacks against the west? The UK is actually very well thought of in Afghanistan, it has saved the country slipping in to complete anarchy. Certainly its record there is better than the USA. But you probably would like to have Bin Laden and Al Q. operating out of there, at least they have been neutralised.
wow, so they are okay to commit thousands of their translators/employees & their families to incarceration or death, so that they can have some revenge on a guy in another country for 911? Are you for **** real? They literally gave the country back to the Taliban & left them with weapons and you think that it was worth it to kill an old man in his jocks, in another country...
I'd call the Irish system welfare state capitalism but superficially we can appear like the the us and UK.
Why are the UK so active militarily and at the same time can't complete the HS2
Something's not adding up
We should be thankful they are active militarily, otherwise we would have nobody to call on to intercept Russian air force planes when they come in to our airspace with their transponders turned off, as they sometimes do.
Ireland is a total irrelevance to Russia.
It did not stop Russian cable ships hovering above the undersea cable outside our 12 mile limit. Only last year it was reported even our own Government, never mind that of NATO members, were seriously concerned Russia would attack the underwater internet cables connecting Europe with the US off the Irish coast.
it is the fault of farage, the tory party and the hard right that the uk is where it is now, nobody else.
the US would have very easily got bin laiden without a 20 year failed war which has left afghanistan back where it started.
they aren't doing it for us, they are doing it for themselves and would be doing it whether we wanted it or not, or called upon them or not.
if it wouldn't be them it would be france.
...and the toxic media.
...and the underlying but in your face xenophobic culture coupled that was allowed simmer away for decades e.g. "don't mention the war" and "he's from Barcelona" (as two very common examples)
However, none of the above would have been allowed had the general public not lapped it all up.
The French cannot even stop thousands of poor refugees leaving their shores in dangerous little rubber boats, never mind care about intercepting Russian jets off our west coast. France is such an awful state that the British are having to give them hundreds of millions of pounds to try to stop the refugees leaving France for England. Quote " March 10 (Reuters) - Prime Minister Rishi Sunak said on Friday that Britain will give France 480 million pounds ($577 million) over three years to invest in police, technology and intelligence to help reduce the number of asylum seekers arriving on English shores in small boats from France."
Farage and Brexit happened towards the end of British half century of financial aid to the EU. Some would say the EU milked Britain dry. For nearly half a century the UK was the second biggest net contributor to EU coffers, so if it is now giving off third world vibes, whose fault is that?
so Fawlty Towers is to blame for Brexit?
It wasn't fishing, or cheap labour, or regulation, or rail privatisation, it was because in the 70s, John Cleese and Connie Booth penned a comedy series that poked fun at a Spaniard?
A series which anyone wh watched it, poked fun at the British more than anything else.
Some might say that the EU milked Britain dry, because drivelling idiots will always be with us. But those who are not drivelling idiots are aware that the British economy grew strongly while the UK was a member of the EU, and the economic advantages flowing from participation in the Single Market (and the enhanced tax revenues resulting from that) vastly exceeded the costs of the UK's budget contributions.
To the extent that the UK is "giving off third world vibes" — and I'm not sure I'd accept that characterisation myself — only the deluded, the ignorant or the dishonest will claim that that's the result of Britain joining the EU, rather than being more the result of Britain leaving the EU.
There's no question but that EU membership was economically advantageous to the UK; even Brexiters have largely given up pretending that Brexit will confer economic blessings — they now mostly deny or downplay ever having said that, and instead say that the adverse fiscal and economic impact of Brexit is justified by the "restoration" of "sovereignty", "independence" and/or "control".
I presume you're being facetious... I'm not sure France wants to keep them...
oh but the french can stop a lot of them, it would be impossible for any state to stop every single one.
however, france quite rightly are simply choosing not to stop as much as they could, as why should they help a country who have abused them and their people and blamed them for britain's failures.
france are simply seeing britain coming with the money and taking it, and who the hell can blame them?
france an aweful state? are you having a laugh? if you think france is an aweful state then i would suggest you obviously don't listen to the news.
France is not a prison, and people are free to leave if they wish. But Francis McM buys into the belief, widespread in the UK, that France has a some kind of duty to keep people from entering Britain by preventing them from leaving France, because apparently when Brexiters demanded that the UK "take back control" of their borders they actually meant that the UK would rely on France to control the UK's borders. And the French are, of course, bound by the wishes and beliefs of Brexiters because they are, of course, only French.
very true and quite correct ultimately.
it is the fault of farage, the tory party, the far right element of the media, and those of the british public that voted for bad decisions that the uk is the way it is, nobody else.
britain actually got more back then it put in, money which is now lost and can't be replaced.
The French cannot even stop thousands of poor refugees leaving their shores in dangerous little rubber boats,
Why would the French try and stop them if they are determinded to go somewhere else?
France is such an awful state that the British are having to give them hundreds of millions of pounds to try to stop the refugees leaving France for England. Quote " March 10 (Reuters) - Prime Minister Rishi Sunak said on Friday that Britain will give France 480 million pounds ($577 million) over three years to invest in police, technology and intelligence to help reduce the number of asylum seekers arriving on English shores in small boats from France."
Can you quote where Reuters said that France were in such a bad way?
England asked the French for help rather than your assertion that France is in a bad way and needs help. It is because Britain are in a bad way and don't want to process these people on its own shores that they've effectively outsourced the task.
I didn't say that at all. Maybe re-read what I did post!
britain chose itself to privatize it's rail system to try and get out of paying for it, and now it pays multiples of the cost, it's own fault.
britain was happy to take advantage of cheap labour and supported it as it meant not having to pay decent wages, it's own fault.
britain's fishing industry would be long dead if it wasn't for access to other markets and waters.
regulation is necessary to protect the people, and britain often voted for and even suggested such regulations.
no, ultimately the reason for brexit was a tax dodge, nothing more.
On a couple of recent work trips to Manchester I couldnt get over the poverty in parts of Manchester & how poor people are even working , so many people were using foodbanks to get by , if they lost a tenner it would be a life changing event,
On a vist to Tottenham in London , walking up the high road near Spurs ground on a non match day was scary with drug runners at every corner flashing zombie knifes watching for addicts or people who owe them money , talbot street would be super safe compared to it. You are asking to be mugged or stabbed if you went out at nighttime.
I worked In UK in 80/90s and its definetly a far poorer & less safe place for many these days.
It is said that London in the 50's was 98% white British, in the 1980s 80% white British, and now 36%. I think the population of London has increased by 2 million this century, mostly immigrants - that they know of.
I agree that in many ways Britain was better in the late 1980s 30 years later, after having been the EUs second biggest net contributor for those 30 years. It is a shocking inditement of the EU that it would do that to its second biggest net contributor.
Because the little rubber boats are so dangerous, and people have been drowned. If conditions were better in France, then those thousands of poor refugees may not risk their lives ( some drown every year ) trying to get to Britain. Ever see the pictures of the dis-organized and dirty tents and camps where refugees are on the coast of France?
https://www.reuters.com/world/uk/uk-give-france-480-million-pounds-help-stop-small-boat-crossings-2023-03-10/
oh, you just quoted Basil Fawlty for the fun of it?
