My dad always says you can spend all the money in the world on slurry storage but 1 massive shower of rain and everything runs into nearest river, not all farm run off, sewerage systems can't cope with heavy rainfall either
Spreading slurry in wrong conditions is a symptom of a shortage of storage.
Farmers can have all the storage in the world but if slurry is spread in wrong conditions theres only one place it will end up.I agree reduceing to 220 will have absolutely no effect on water quality .
France looking more attractive to buy to farm.
C'mon lads we can do it. We'll name it Ireland with grapes.
Industrial conifer forestry is indeed a major water quality pressure in many upland water catchments, especially on acid soils. TBF to the EPA they have not been shy in highlighting that element of the overall rather sorry picture on water quality trends here in recent years
Supplying Dublin drinking water to the likes of Leo and cabbage head Ryan. No other reason
With all the talk from enviros and the likes advising livestock farmers to consider tillage, look at the map issued yesterday. All the traditional tillage counties are more or less all gone down to 220. North Kerry an intensive dairy area all basically escapes bar ardfert which has a lot of tillage ground…if it is in fact based off water samples what does that tell you??
Not sure it'll make any difference but the man from the county council who spoke at our water quality meeting last week said Irish Water were taking over responsibility for water from the council in the coming days.
If I had to guess, I'd say this will add to the randomness, bureaucracy, and political aspects of water quality. And further away from straightforward testing and science.
Map has nothing to do with derogation farms. It has to do with risk to water quality.
The action by Gov/Commisson/dept has been singularly on derogation farms though.
Action required should point at slurry storage, tillage cover cropping and sewage plants. Without serious action on all 3, the cow will continue in her vulnerable position of being the eco terrorist.
Reduction to 220 has no chance of acheiving any water quality result, and you have to wonder if that's the result that the powers that be want from this..
Nothing to do with me
For the talk of water bodies and representatives they do occasionally test water. So yes it would. Probably twice a week for drinking water sources.
Could be maybe.
Own feeling is they were told draw up a map that gets the 220 across the line and accepted by the farming unions.
For all the talk of farming representation on this forum this map to me says officialdom still takes reactions of farm unions into play.
There's no science to me in the map just a way of getting 220 accepted.
It looked good too to show European ministers who'd be clueless.
We're fairly intensive in our part of Waterford too but we're also in the white area. The river Mahon runs across the county from the Comeragh mountains to Bunmahon village on the coast and it supplies nearly half of Waterford with water, so I'm assuming it's regularly tested.
Could it be forestry. Amazed that our area of north Kerry is out, one of the most intensive dairy areas in the country.
Science based.
It's not really but it's let on it is by the epa.
Donald Trump was let loose with a "sharpie" on a map of Ireland and they went with it.
Dairy intensity irrelevant to the risks of water issues this it seems. Bandon, Clonakilty, Listowel, Adare, Castlelyons, Tallow, Kanturk, West Clare, Macamore area Wexford all big dairy areas, all at 250.
Is there a big dairy area up in the Wicklow mountains or why is it marked for the 220kh N/ha reduction?
Fair play to them, farming at la forge on YouTube have made a good go at it too out in France since moving over. Saying that it’s a totally different culture and you’d really want to love farming and something tells me there might not be a whole pile to do outside of farming if you were to make such a change of scenery. Horses for courses.
I agree. Don't spend your life looking over the ditch. And the most important thing is to be grateful to be able to get up every morning. Your health is your wealth. You are fuuucked with out it.
I have a first cousin. Herself and the fella bought a suckler farm in France. They're out there a few years now. Running limousins. Hard work and the neighbours can be interesting. But between here and there. Out there does allow you to buy a lot more land for your euro. Usually on farms too over there there can be accommodation besides the main house for guests,workers.
You'd really want to like farming though with the undertaking and change.
I think there’s only room for one French farming mogul on boards lol
I’d never in a million years go farming out in Australia or NZ. I’ll have 3 years of experience built up in the MNC I’m in at the end of next year relevant to my degree. Im in the process of being approved for mortgage on farmhouse on outfarm, lucky to have parents who will put collateral against it but deposit and payments will be all coming from me. Once that is complete I will go to Australia for a year or two. My first cousin is manager in a quarry north of Perth so I would have work there straight away, I’d try to build up as much as saving as possible out there and when I come home I will either go back to working as an engineer in the house or continue to let it out and go farming on the home farm. That house would be what I plan on disposing of if I ever wanted to buy land it was appraised 3 times the value of the mortgage I’m applying for once work will be completed. Very lucky it’s in an extremely sought after suburb.
https://www.quatuor-transactions.com/?language=en
Or indeed you could go to France. www.quatour-transactions.com
If I was your age with no tie-downs I'd be heading out to Australia if you wanted to go dairying and strike out on your own back do a couple of years managing/share-farming to build up a deposit and then buy a place , know two lads I worked with out their who have since bought farms and are tipping away nicely, theirs savage value in certain regions out their in farms and a great milk price prospects going forward given their milk pool is shrinking rapidly as the younger generation out their have zero interest in taking the reins...
Theirs zero environmental bulls**t agenda towards agriculture either your let work away, that's what the biggest plus is
https://www.realestate.com.au/sold/property-diary-vic-nambrok-700236756
Either way if you have backing you’re talking mid 50s by the time you have it paid off if in mid 20s when taking it on and if you’ve no backing you’re talking retirement age before you’d have it paid back by leasing a farm for 10 years forst to build up cash reserves as people have suggested here. Get to retirement age in both cases your whole working life would have been spent with no disposable income granted you’d have an asset built up at the end but then no guarantee it would be carried on after that. But each to their own…
Different country now than the 80s and alot more new customers for land verses just farmers in the 80's. My father bought cheap land in the 80's but once the forestry put a floor of 6k on the market that was the end of the cheap land. I believe they are paying 7500 now. Time will tell.
High prices cure high prices.
The number of farms coming on the market now isn't sustainable.
In the 1980s I saw farms being sold two or three times in the decade, starting at 3000/acre early in the decade down to 1000/acre for the sameland at the end of the decade.
My leases finish 2026/27 and I'd be very suprised if the same demand is around then,
If there is I'll be very tempted
A 200 acre farm self contained at 170kg n will only support about 110 cows.But as usuall people presume 220 will stay forever maybe it will but no sane person wud risk baking on it
Current interest rates at circa 6% on secured borrowing, for a 2 million euro 160 acre dairy farm, you'll be paying 120k a year in interest alone year one , and another 100k in principal repayments on a 20 year term...
Unless daddy has a war chest to back his son/daughter of a couple of hundred of a deposit to finance the above you'll be laughed out of the bank trying to get a loan for the above
