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I didn't realise that there was so much money flowing through the Trust. In around €50m in 2022 alone.
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And that is most definitely needed.
Second chance of life so to say. Absolutely should be paid for by the public purse and if even a minority can stand on their own two feet afterwards. Worth every penny.
I think the issues some people have is the lifestyle and also the continuous financial scandals. Value for money. I'm not saying the on the ground workers, they deserve way more money.
Plus 100k for a ceo is nothing.
Here’s the bit you didn’t read;
from those who have no idea about the processes in place between PMV and their various funding departments,
You have to be realistic, no organisation getting taxpayers' money can just say...trust us we know what we are doing leave us alone, society is entitled to know if he money any state-funded organisation is spending is effective in doing what the organisation says it is doing and that is not just about accounting for the money they get.
I absolutely agree that it's not a good think for PMV or any person or business to be avoiding paying their taxes. Indeed, it seems that PMV would agree with this too. It does look like they dropped the ball here, and they should absolutely be held to account for this.
There's a big difference between that statement, and the constant, tiresome, ill-informed rants about what they do and how they do it from those who wouldn't recognise a housing support if they tripped over it, from those who have no idea about the processes in place between PMV and their various funding departments, from those who want to impose their own personal value system on a housing support service, with zero evidence to support this.
You have it in one. We went from 100% institutions to almost 100% care in the community. The reality is often something in the middle is required. Purpose build communities where people can have 'their own front door' but the backup services are there to insure they are feed, cleaned, educated, employed etc. I have seen it my self with a young who parents died going into these homeless services. Deteriorating over the years and begging outside shops, as he had nothing else to do.
It's funny how society can suppress one thing only for it to arise again in another guise, the large mental hospitals had nurses, tailors, boot makers, and farm workers, in today's society it's homeless services, care workers, policy advisors.
I think that's a really interesting philosophical point.
It's only swapping one thing for another the closer of the large mental hospitals has a lot to do with today's situation, St Brendans has something like 3 thousand patients at one stage, they also had large workshops employing tailors, boot makers, a farm all to provide for the 3 thousand inmates who often spent their whole life there.
Nothing wrong with it did I saw there was?
Well, we have legislation in place to tell charities how to run their services, we also have public spending rules for them to obey, and we have revenue as well to collect from them, so in many ways charities are told how to run their services.
Certainly in the case of the subject of this thread, they have been caught out by at least one of the ways they have been told to run their services.
I am sure that you will agree that whether it is a business, a charity or Joe Soap, it is not a good thing to avoid paying your taxes?
You can choose support whatever charities you like.
You can't choose to tell every charity in Ireland how to run their services.
What's the problem with providing lifetime supports to people with lifetime needs?
Some get life long support.
But does not answer the question, do the clients get life long support, I support two charities at Christmas one is a small support/ preventing homelessness in young people type service, I do this because I knew someone who worked there and they had a lot of experience and said the service is excellent and secondly the don't activity fundraise.
Oh right, so you're just criticising everything they do without having any actual solutions to offer, got it.
Criticise something I didn't say, deflect to another topic, throw in a personal insult. I am not going to engage.
Ah jaysus , bless you.
Must be great to have the solutions to homelessness that have eluded authorities and providers all over the world at your fingertips.
And they go back four or five years. I have been warning of issues for a long time.
Of course I will .
The service works based on what professional experts with decades of experience in funding and operating such services know will actual work on the ground.
It doesn't work based on half-assed theories from people with zero experience of funding and operating such services who want to impose their own personal values on others.
if you search through my posts, you find ones that set out the six-figure salaries paid to poverty industry executives in charities as well as analyses of strategic plans geared towards growing income, not solving problems.
You’re very limited , still you got a thanks , that’s what counts?
Not time limited , my role is supporting people move out of homelessness.Identifying the housing option is a priority, I.e senior citizens, private rented , social housing, supported housing and so in.
In some cases there is lifelong support.
The poverty industry charities aren't interested in the aim of fading out services, or supporting self-sufficiency. If they succeeded in that, they would need less money. That doesn't work for their highly paid senior staff.
Does the service always work with the aim of fading out service? in other words, do the clients get a time-limited evidence-based intervention or is it lifelong support?
Why would they need to fundraise, they provide the services to agreed standards they get the money? I looked up a service that stays under the radar somewhat they provide wrap-around services, and they are looking for a special needs assistant, special needs assistants are provided by schools and childcare providers why do they need their own? when does the wrap-around care fade out? or will the next generation brought up with wrap-around care need care and support when they are adults?
I know they are more philosophical points but if services are being funded by the taxpayer they need to be answered.
I am all for individuals and families getting support as long as it's open to scrutiny and not just financial scrutiny.
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Same with most businesses.
Maybe so , but I’m a low threshold homeless service Social Care Worker for years.
If you talk to the on the ground staff working for the NGOs you will get very mixed responses about what the service are providing.
Most prominent NGOs / charities are governed by having to reach KPIs along with satisfy NQSF standards n order to access funding.
Homeless services in Dublin work under the DRHE.
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