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Where have all the workers gone?

Sammy2012

I was just reading the garda thread and it got me thinking. I work in education and the huge teacher shortage is really starting to bite. Qualified teachers are in short supply. I see kids every day trying to access services that aren't there any more, both public and privately. Waiting lists of years even if you have the means to pay. There is a shortage of doctors and nurses again both in hospital and private practice. My own doctors surgery has gone from 7 doctors down to 2. Patient list growing daily. Hospitality sector are struggling to find workers.

These are just a few examples. So my question is where have all the workers gone???

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TokTik

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121175304#Comment_121175304

Rents in Sydney are as cheap as places down the country in Ireland.

Kensington, is like Drumcondra, except nice. Walking distance to Sydney CBD. Plenty available for about €1300. Which is the average for Shannon, Mullingar, Carlow. And wages in Aus, esp Sydney are a lot higher.

https://www.realestate.com.au/rent/in-kensington,+nsw+2033/list-1

TokTik

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121175304#Comment_121175304

2 massive world renowned cities. Of course they’re going to be expensive.

I did a quick random Daft search. In Carlow town, there’s 1 rental available. Mullingar there’s 9 at an average of €1300 a month. 4 in Killarney at an average of €1300 a month. Shannon, 1 apartment €1300 a month.

Kensington, walking distance to the CBD in Sydney. Over 800 available. Like Drumcondra, except nice. Similar pricing to down the country in Ireland. And wages are a lot higher in Aus.

https://www.realestate.com.au/rent/in-kensington,+nsw+2033/list-1

[Deleted User]

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121175672#Comment_121175672

No it isn’t. If you ever worked in the US, you’d understand that.

Sammy2012

I don't live in Dublin but I do live in a commuter town south of Dublin. New 4 bed detached houses are selling for almost half a million euro. Its mad money. How are people with goodish jobs supposed to afford that? Now you can get older homes for cheaper but most people want a new home and some of the older ones would be in less desirable areas.

Also in my town, its very hard to find a doctor if you don't already have one, it's almost impossible to get a dentist, secondary school places are hard to find, (not possible but every year kids are put on a wait list so causes stress on people), there are issues with the water supply at times, and of course there are issues with drugs that are becoming more obvious every week. Our garda station was downgraded but anti social issues are on the rise.

Tradesmen are in short supply and its very hard to get anyone to do anything especially the small jobs. Our society is changing before our very eyes and noone is doing anything about it. The government don't seem to care.

timmyntc

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121175672#Comment_121175672

In US health insurance is almost always employer provided. Certainly for high paid jobs compared to irish equivalents

[Deleted User]

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121175368#Comment_121175368

Ha, that's the exception rather than the norm

[Deleted User]

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121175641#Comment_121175641

With respect to Germany, are you referring to the influx sanctioned by Merkel in 2015/2016? If yes, I wouldn’t be relying on that cohort to maintain productivity, given that in recent assessments, almost 80% remain unemployed and in receipt of Hartz IV welfare payments..

893bet

A huge problem is too many shite 3rd level courses. People are being sold a little of the “be what ever you want to be”. Sure but you will be unemployed or badly paid following your media degree or masters on Harry Potter or whatever.

All the video shared of the Garda being abused by **** must be a subconscious turn off from a young age to Garda entry.

But teaching…….:I know you won’t be killed with money, especially in Dublin, but anywhere else in the country it’s a glorious job due to the hours.

Jim2007

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121174468#Comment_121174468

I won't be around to see it, but if you are in your 40s, Ireland and Germany are probably the best places to make a life for yourself. Ireland still has a young enough population and Germany as let in a large block of young immigrants, so both have a fair chance of maintaining high productivity for a longer period so can probably afford to pay for services etc... long term. Holding on to as many young Ukrainians would not be a bad idea either. But I guess after the war the reconstruction investment in the country will make it take off big time.

Cal4567

It's taken a long time but even some 'I'm alright Jack' type parents are beginning to question why their kids can't leave home etc. Just check out the slow and steady reduction in % support for FFG. More and more are finally waking up, and having housing policies that appear to only have the sole goal, and that's to keep property prices high? WTF!!

Yes, many other Anglosphere cities are experiencing similar problems but find me anywhere with the level of dysfunction that there is in the Dublin market. Really impacting on the jobs market now. It's not as if government weren't warned about this either.

Medium to long term solution is to invest outside of the Greater Dublin area.

NSAman

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121175165#Comment_121175165

Three words, “paid by employer”

[Deleted User]

The quality is absolutely abysmal - overcrowding, being expected to house share as a grown adult and paying high rent to do so, a huge % of rental accommodation being pitched as reasonable for young adults and even middle aged adults is shared accommodation built designed to be suburban family homes.

Typical rental here has poor quality do fit out, usually the cheapest fittings you can find. Landlords seem to pick up furniture in skips or something.

Then you’ve the issues with dampness, mould, poor housing infrastructure : lack of insulation, bad windows, crazy, weird and very inefficient heating systems… bad appliances… the list is endless.

We are expecting people on average incomes live in grossly overpriced hovels and be thankful for it, so they just leave.

I’m seeing that particularly with difficulty retaining continental workers. A lot of people now seem to come here expecting to be able to setup a life, seeing attractive salaries and then can’t find any housing and just leave again.

Also the stats don’t show many Irish people moving to continental Europe - only about 78,000 in total live permanently elsewhere in the EU. Most of us seem to go to other anglophone counties, many of which also have housing issues —

in Ireland there’s a million and one reasons why we seem to be unwilling or unable to build more houses or public transit infrastructure and undersized all the essential public services, yet we want all the goodies that come with a growing economy and population..

gameoverdude

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121175347#Comment_121175347

Poor quality?

Bring back bedsits for the youngsters.

[Deleted User]

Increasing population, huge under supply of housing, meaning it’s both ludicrously expensive and poor quality.

We aren’t accommodating essential workers in that mix. Eventually that causes major issues with services.

gameoverdude

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121175326#Comment_121175326

Similar in a lot of places. A turning point will occur.

Sooner kids don't see apprenticeships as a dirty word, the better.

The amount of useless 3rd level courses out there is outstanding.

maninasia

Apart from the fact that you basically have to BUY a house because there's no rentals when moving back to the capital....

its extremely difficult to find a GP and school places in the Dublin area. We still have no GP. Family in Dublin also have huge trouble accessing their long term GP. Telling people to suck it up is bullshit, with no GP it's very difficult for my family to get proper and urgent health services.

School places...same...very very difficult...very disruptive.

Telling people to just suck it up or "bite yer lip', go feck off with that bollocks. And it's gotten worse and worse.

maninasia

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121175304#Comment_121175304

Australia and Ireland aren't the only places in the world. would love to know how many Irish leave to cheaper places sucha s UK now. Anyway the number of Irish coming and going balances out right now, the major factor is who is coming and going.

In addition people may come back to Ireland but avoid coming back to Dublin due the housing and cost of lviing issues.1

Due to extremely rapid population increases We need to increase the number of doctors, nurses, teachers at the same time that many are not choosing to pursue these professions in Dublin.

main issues are just one issue..housing housing and housing.

igCorcaigh

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121175304#Comment_121175304

Of course, other things need to be factored in, but it's just what I am hearing from people, even from recruitment agencies... and that was a few years ago. Something is very out of kilter with the housing market in this country, and has been growing over the last few years.

gameoverdude

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121175293#Comment_121175293

Okay. Look at the rents in Sydney/ ny for a house.

I know Dublin is a lot smaller and has to be taken into consideration but this isn't just an Irish thing.

igCorcaigh

People can't to afford to rent or live here, housing costs are too high, along with the cost of living. It's beginning to bite in a way that damages our society.

gameoverdude

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121175207#Comment_121175207

Untrue.

People with a STEM degree and a load of experience.

amacca

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121175141#Comment_121175141

There's more than a grain of truth in it tbh

The level of fuckwittery you have to deal with now is quite something to behold....there's a much higher percentage of total pricks with no cop on out there and that's before you get to the scumbags getting everything for free that couldn't give two continentals

Stoned_Rosie

I find the confidence in which people blame shortage of workers on emigration etc kinda funny.

We've always had emigration. In fact we have net inward migration of irish people now.

The reality is we've had 10+ years of low interest rates and economies across the world as hot as ****. Consumers are spending like mad. Everyone has loads of money which drives demand for workers and production. We have record deposits in irish banks. People play the poormouth while loads of folks out there are rolling in cash.

Everyone has a choice of something better now. What needs to happen to get rid of this shortage of workers everywhere is demand drops, companies cut staff in big numbers and people become damn glad to have a job again. Then we'll have people happy to get a good job as a bus driver with good benefits, whereas now they have better options rolling in money in construction or something.

Padre_Pio

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121175229#Comment_121175229

Cleaning up because there's so few left.

I'll guarantee that very few tradesmen have children following in their footsteps.

They're telling their children to get into engineering and get a nice cushy desk job, and not have tomorrow about working themselv

Thelonious Monk

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121175207#Comment_121175207

What about tradesmen? Cleaning up.

Padre_Pio

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121174859#Comment_121174859

That's my experience.

We have a two tiered economy now, funded by MNCs, where anyone with an STEM degree is being headhunted like crazy and is having money thrown at them.

Anyone with a non-STEM degree is dealing with a cost of living crisis.

Sammy2012

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121175180#Comment_121175180

Almost everyone that I know who left and went abroad during the last recession has come back.

Thelonious Monk

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121174587#Comment_121174587

Where are they going? Rent is crazy everywhere these days. I have a friend who is an a and e consultant in Melbourne and can't afford to buy his own place. Nowadays Irish people leave for a while but most come back, I did this as did loads of folks I know.

[Deleted User]

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121174729#Comment_121174729

You seem to not understand pay levels in the US and Australia. mid level managers in the US easily get 2x Ireland with less taxes.

2 words

Health insurance

[Deleted User]

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121174882#Comment_121174882

To be fair, coming out with that hackneyed tripe, the children are probably better off with you out of the profession.