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SCEP Scheme

Thekeencyclist

Hi All,

Excuse my lack of knowledge here as I wasnt in the BDGP scheme but am considering joining the SCEP scheme.

At the moment 50% of my reference # meet the requirement for joining the scheme etc. This figure is based off of the following:

8.3% of the 50% is on a Genotyped Evaluation
The remainder is based on reviewing the Euro Star Replacement rating on ICBF as these animals were never genotyped but are rated as been 4/5 star.

My question is, because these animals are in my herd already, can the star rating change on them even if i am request to do a genotype test on them??

I see there is one rule, that the star rating may change over time but this doesnt impact existing BDGP members but as a new entry will the non genotyped amimals mentioned be impacted by this rule.

Thanks.

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Jb1989

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120952834#Comment_120952834

Just rang them now, they being sent out in today's post.

893bet

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120952858#Comment_120952858

Shocking stuff. Can only assume mullinhone

Jb1989

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120953311#Comment_120953311

Yes mulinahone 😅

ABitofsense

They're very slow with the Genotyping for the scheme. I have my samples in since the start of July and its still down as "Sample in lab". Was this the same for BDGP scheme?

If like me you weren't in BDGP and most of the cows aren't genotyped, you'll be cutting it tight now to meet:

Applicants are required to ensure that on the 31st October 2023 at least 50% of their yearly reference number are eligible females that are genotyped 4 or 5 stars on the replacement index

Dozer1

Got a text yesterday saying my samples were received anyway

jd06

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120995556#Comment_120995556

Same here

Jb1989

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120921687#Comment_120921687

Notebook came today

patsy_mccabe

So did mine. Must fill it out tomorrow.

dodo mommy

What's the story with the training aspect of the scheme, when has it to be completed by. I haven't heard a word about it since I joined the scheme.

tanko

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121056957#Comment_121056957

There’s two courses that have to be completed by November 15th 2024, both can be done the same day, no payment for doing them. There’s a tender process to see who gives the courses, don’t think that has been done yet.

Jamesbeirne

Has anyone got the genotyping results back yet. I wonder if those who sent them in in June have any word. Mine were sent on 11 July so if there done in sequence the will be later. The

ABitofsense

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121069275#Comment_121069275

I've got half of them today. One wrong sire and she's a 5th Calver!

Hopefully rest tomorrow and in place for Oct for the scheme.

Katie 2018

Got my notebook today. Do I have to use it or can I just continue with filling information in on icbf website

tanko

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121069867#Comment_121069867

Mine goes straight in the bin every year as soon as i get it. Filling in the info on ICBF.com is the only place that matters.

ABitofsense

For the genotyping they must be testing samples one by one and updating the system. One of my 1st calvers went from 5 star (141e) to 3 star (87e) strangely! Huge drop!!

Looking at the numbers and where she drops is age of first calving (she calved at 36mths) and cow live weight (I'm not sure what this is). A bit frustrating as shes a good quiet cow and has her Saler bull calve at ~1.5kg/day at last weighing.

Thekeencyclist

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121069275#Comment_121069275

Anything on this or when would the ICBF website be updated with results?

Wouldnt mind knowing where I stand myself (as I wasnt in BDGP) and time is starting to close in now if a heifer needs to be bought in.....

Donald Trump

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121100222#Comment_121100222

Something has been updated alright. We had some here at 5 star that are now 3 star in the system. I asked them about them when I was ringing them a while back for something else and they told me that as long as they stay in your herd, they are counted at the previous score.

Where it is a pain in the bollix is that we are currently waiting on some to come back to hit the 50% number. And we would be expecting the ones that we are waiting to be equivalent to the ones that were 5 star but are now at 3. So I have to guess that these will come back on this new scale at 3 and we won't hit the 50%

Dozer1

Rang them last week and said my results were back and that there is a new update on September 26th so should know where I am then. I'm currently short 6 for this year but hoping it'll be less.

Thekeencyclist

I Genotyped 8 as requested for the SCEP scheme, it looks like only 5 results came back to ICBF. At the minute I am one female short of meeting the requirements for 2023.

If I check ICBF for the 3 remaining females for which 2 of them show as been 5 stars (which would mean I meet the requirements for 2023) but the 3 females display the following message:

Genotype available for animal, but not yet included in the genetic evaluation

Anyone know what this means and why they might not be included in the evaluation??

Jb1989

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121162287#Comment_121162287

3 samples haven't been examined yet for what ever reason

ABitofsense

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121162287#Comment_121162287

They seem to be updating as they go for this as a number of mine have being added singly over the last few weeks prior to yesterdays update. The Genotype available for animal, but not yet included in the genetic evaluation means its complete but wasn't updated to the system yet

It maybe worth ringing them to see as they are usually very helpful.

Hard Knocks

Looking at herdplus we’ve some included already, some in the lab & 1 had a poor sample which couldn’t be evaluated. Do we have to do anything or wait for them to make contact?

Thekeencyclist

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121162746#Comment_121162746

Rang them there, looks like some of the results arrived in different batches with the last few arriving to ICBF on Friday of last week (must be the ones i'm missing) which they expect to have up on the system this Friday. Fingers crossed, i get that last heifer with the stars in.....

Katie 2018

Do you have to join herdplus to see how cows sampled got on.ive heard nothing since I've sampled cows

Hard Knocks

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121163184#Comment_121163184

It’s the easiest, still a cost all the same. You could try ringing ICBF

jd06

Iv my genotyping done on my heifers nearly 2 months ago.

I looked on icbf and all I can see for the genotyping is the invoice. So no idea how they are rated. I'm checking it on my phone if that makes any difference. Thanks

893bet

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121164410#Comment_121164410

you won’t be able to see on your phone on the app the genotype results

jd06

Cheers thanks for that

Jb1989

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121164565#Comment_121164565

Maybe not,

But if logging on to icbf via mobile phone, I ALWAYS go to menu, and pick 'switch to desktop version', it always has more information on it.

Badly layed out site tho, for phone and Computer

Sami23

Is it possible to run a report in SCEP like we could do in BDGP to see the herd status as of today ?