Maybe, it's just the media, but is anyone getting strong Third World vibes off the UK at the moment?
To the poster talking about workers' councils, half the people don't even know who they ultimately work for. There is no going back to the 1950s.
which you haven't given examples of how differing regulations means cheaper houses
I would suggest this is because Ireland is much more family orientated. A rather strange aspect of English culture is adult children moving out of the family home at 18 and barely ever seeing their parents again.
Worker councils are one of the primary reason why Germany is an industrial powerhouse. In the late 90s the German government were hit by a big recession which lasted most of the decade. They introduced the 1 Euro wage scheme where a company could pay redundant works 1 Euro an hour and the government would pick up the rest in benefits. Industry ticked along at a holding pace for the best part of a decade and very few people were laid off. As soon as conditions became favourable again German industry picked up where it left off with a fully trained workforce and the next two decades saw them become the dominant industrial nation in Europe.
Contrast that to UK where facing similar situation in the 90s they laid everyone off and went into industrial warfare with the workers. Many of those laid off never worked again and the blight across the north of the country is testimony to their aggressive mismanagement.
Workers councils in Germany mean all of that was avoided and the workers cooperated with the government industrial policy. It's not an old out of date policy - it still works to everyone advantage.
It's also strong encouraged that you marry outside of your local community make people far more mobile. Contrast this to Ireland where up until recently the opposite was true.
that's just you though, your circumstances are not shared by a substantial amount of the british population on the same salary.
access to mortgages maybe strict in the UK but general credit is so easy to come by it's ridiculous hense the amount of debt people are in over there, not to mention the most expensive utility bills in the world as well.
sure, houses are being built there but they are out of reach for a huge amount of the uk population, large amounts of them being for overseas investers and owners who leave them empty.
of course, people see their parents and are involved with them.
https://www.thejournal.ie/construction-cost-review-cabinet-6059128-May2023/#:~:text=The%20analysis%20of%20the%20cost,wardrobes%20and%20differences%20in%20sizing.
That is happening in Ireland. In fact, one third of sales are to cash buyers. And record numbers of first time buyers in Ireland are getting mortgages. It does take 3 to 5 years for most of them to save 10% according to the lenders. But you would be an exception in England with your 11 months. That will not be happening any time soon for a lot of people in England.
More than a third of all homes now bought with cash
Christian McCashin
08/04/2023
More than a third of properties are being purchased without a mortgage - usually by people who earn less than those with home loans, new figures show.
Cash buyers had a lower average income (€49,900 a year) than those with mortgages, who earned €79,200, a report from the Central Statistics Office (CSO) revealed.
The point was, the same me would not be able to do something similar in Ireland, even though I'd more than likely be in a higher paying role.
I'll believe it when I see 5% mortgages
You can look back in the thread where I posted the CSO information about the record number of mortgages being taken out this year by first time buyers. And the numbers of houses in Ireland already on mortgages, and the number owned outright.
95% mortgages?
That doesn't give any examples either?
Only increases in living standards it gives is natural light requirements and en-suite bathrooms for multi room builds... which are pretty much the norm in the UK.
Ireland is fairly unique in europe, in that at the weekends, all the university kids go home.
Some Irish builder in the UK is having a bit of fun. As I named major UK house builders earlier in the thread my social media is throwing up Ads for UK housing developments, one development has names like the Wexford, the Kilkenny, and the Fergus.
How does that work for major financial institutions that could be headquartered in Malaysia or the US or working for major trans-nation social media companies or for Uber drivers, does the UK still have a big manufacturing base?
It can apply to any company operating in a country's jurisdiction. If they don't like that condition they know where the exit is.
percentages without context... a third of what number? I know people who have been saving the last 5-10 years who only bought recently, who have had the goalposts changed numerous times due to changes in help to buy support, mortgage terms and inflating prices, what you mention doesn't indicate an easier market to buy in or gain access to credit.
11 months is not an exception in the UK.... it is far easier to get on the property ladder in an area you want to be in over there in the shorter term than over here, no matter your salary bracket.
Apparently 400 first time buyers are drawing down mortgages every week in Ireland.
One third of all house purchases this year. I know a person who sold their house in Dublin, paid off the remaining mortgage and bought with cash in rural Cavan. I think people moving from London to other parts of the UK could do the same. You say 11 months is not exceptional in England. But you do not give any data to back that up. I have given data from the CSO and from media reports to back up what I am saying.
Property transactions in Ireland appear to be in a healthy state, with plenty of buyers out there able to get on the ladder. I chose Co Cavan for June and July and that returned 148 Residential properties sold. Many at what would rate as "affordable", certainly in comparison to Dublin and London.
https://www.propertypriceregister.ie/website/npsra/PPR/npsra-ppr.nsf/PPR-By-Date&Start=1&Query=%5Bdt_execution_date%5D%3E=01/06/2023%20AND%20%5Bdt_execution_date%5D%3C01/8/2023%20AND%20%5Bdc_county%5D=Cavan&County=Cavan&Year=2023&StartMonth=06&EndMonth=07&Address=
I looked at the Yaris GR for the laugh when it came out. €1279 a month here on PCP, £295 in the UK. There are far more high end cars (and motorbikes) in the UK and up North which is piss poor because of cheaper prices and better finance deals in general.
that still gives zero context on access to credit, how many first time buyers there are, how many are second hand buyers... in fact, if you have people in those number who own multiple properties, it muddies the water even further.
That is hilarious considering all the english home county type names used by Irish developers in the Bertie bubble.
Sadly these are not just UK issues - Food banks are a routine feature in Ireland, and are increasing rapidly not just UK.
Using the examples you mention, it could be interpreted that people in Ireland are experiencing similar if not the same issues, perhaps just not picked up on in the news or noticed in the same way.
Below mentions that a marked increased during one year of parents are using foodbanks. Totally obscene in the 21st century.
https://www.buzz.ie/news/irish-news/food-banks-families-afford-meals-29165960
Errrr, have you ever noticed how many boil water notices that happen regularly in Ireland or DO NOT CONSUME, plus how long the duration or regularly feature at the same locations.
https://www.water.ie/help/water-quality/do-not-consume-notice/?map=supply-and-service-updates
Raw sewage being pumped into coast around Ireland has and is happening around the coast -
https://extra.ie/2023/03/04/news/raw-sewage-pumped-into-sea-in-clare#:~:text=An%20astonishing%201%2C800%20tonnes%20of,not%20be%20fixed%20until%202025.
Although the below link mentions 2019, the other one is more recent report dated 2022, - but still continues today.
2022
Some 7.5m litres daily are released into the sea
https://www.irishtimes.com/environment/2022/10/20/only-51-of-irish-wastewater-treated-to-eu-standards-says-report/
A general decline is felt in UK, for sure, but hey, its not exactly all peachy here.
Hhm, well, the EU I suspect is going to continue reviewing tax reform rules .... - if that impacts Ireland more so than others, who can say what will happen..
But I posted before that there are record numbers of first time buyers getting mortgages this year. Have you any information on what percentage of first time buyers in England get approval for a mortgage in 12 months?
The migration chestnut was a favourite amongst the hard of thinking in the UK.
The Eastern Europeans filled much needed positions and gave a boost to the economy.
To categorise them as simply a source of cheap labour is offensive. I worked with East Europeans, We had a lot in the civils/ electrical control and automation industries and those I worked with were on the rate for the job, whether Engineers, electricians or fitters.
My mother had an East European care worker. Efficient, degree qualified and a totally different person from her English colleagues. One who I complained about for letting a stranger into my mothers house and leaving him there after departing. When I complained the owner of the care company didn't seem to understand she had no right to admit anyone.
Basically the working age citizens have declined, so the pensions/ care ponzi scheme needs new blood.
It's just unfortunate that it's easy to manipulate the less well educated with stories of them taking "your" jobs, housing etc.
Racism brought the poor eejits Brexit after all.
Trump plays it out wonderfully, which is a testimony to the value of American education as far as I can judge.
The "Rate for the money" as you call it, is dictated by simple economics. A plentiful supply will drive down prices, so your engineers, fitters and care home workers, while working for the "going rate", were also contributing to keeping the "going rate" down. Anyone but the hard of thinking would get that.
Why do you think wages are on the increase in the UK?
Simply because the pound is worth so much less since Brexit.
My quids dropped to 1 euro sixteen after the referendum. It was 1.42 before the referendum got going and started to look a threat.
The people I worked with stayed on incidentally, I have nothing to do with Britain now, but my ex colleagues were still in the UK, however they would not be around now I guess as most had responsibilities back "home".
The jobs advertised in the city where I lived are offering less than 2K a month for retail and operative type work. Engineers are in demand and visa's are available anyway for all nationalities. The traditional fears specifically targeted was for the threat to low skilled jobs, the medical, science or engineering professions were never nominated as being at risk from exploitation.
If you wish to look at what was the "home" city of Stoke, it's virtually derelict, the companies that did offer a living wage for the low skilled have folded.
This is hardly surprising as East Europeans revitalised the pottery industry. With the low pound it did not pay many to stay.
If a country that imports, adds value and exports to survive decides it's a good move to devalue its currency, then the result is predictable.
Apart from racism including housing being taken and priced out of the market by "foreigners", an attraction of Brexit was the low pound and cheaper exports.
That was the level of intelligence that Brexit and racism was aimed at.
I have a property still in the UK, I have a UK bank account that I used for tax and expenses. Apart from a brief period of rental to a friend of the family, which was voluntary incidentally, this oasis in the housing shortage desert has never been worth the trouble of renting out, even in the peak times of employment there.
Most of the press in Britain is Tory owned, it isn't neutral and doom & gloom sells papers. If this doom & gloom can be blamed on migrants, Labour, or the EU, it's a win, win for the gutter press there.
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