Why would you prefer the rugby style kicks from different positions?
Templeport & Mullahoran D2 U15 League.
Which D2 U15 final was settled on penalties? 🤔
Professional soccer in cups had replays for years - there may still be some. Other sports like basketball and baseball have a series of games to decide a winner. Champions League “knockout” games are over two fixtures, not one. Boxing has rematches all the time, even after a winner has been decided.
I don’t think penalties in Gaelic are fair. I’d prefer a rugby style knockout system of kicks from different positions.
An U15 Division 2 final was decided this year by penalties. Putting that pressure on juvenile lads that are 14 and 15 is not correct IMO.
15 frees?? So would the referee just stop giving frees in this scenario or call off the game when 15 frees are reached. That's about the maddest idea I think I have ever heard off.
I don't think interjecting with facts and logic is inkeeping with the tone of this discussion.
Replays are a ploy concocted by the county board. I can't think of any other sport that has these so called "replays". Extra time and penalties is an unquestionably fair and non controversial way to decide the winner of a game.
Yes it all about money every little helps replays, charging kids, putting Laragh out off the shops in the park etc.
I’ll ask the first question I set. How much do you think they are making off these replays? Have you last years accounts showing them as a huge money spinner? The games this weekend aren’t even in Breffni.
The general point would still stand though its money related.
Martin Cahill doesn't decide. CCC decide and competition regulations sent to clubs to assess and then suggest edits and ratify.
Martin Cahill would have replays until Christmas rather then extra time. But it's not about money according to King
its a free for all in both codes because its left up to the referees interpretation , instead of a directive from dublin as to how a game should be managed
in my opinion weather its football or hurling a game should be let flow as much as possible in which no more then 15 frees should be given in any one game unless things get out of hand , at the moment its too much like soccer and not enough like rugby where the players are miffed by the rules of the game or his interpretation of it
the problem is though no matter what you do someone will complain though , last years munster hurling final was reffed by john keenan who was a top class referee in hurling and done a fine job that day but got treated like dirt on the sunday game that night by shane dowling , the sunday game need to bring in a referee to explain rules to people and not let lads like that have a free for all that never reffed a game in their lives , thats the shop window for the game and everything is affected in my opinion as a result of that show
The standard is poor across the entire country from what I’m told. In fairness, who would want to do it even for €50?
Would you subject yourself to running around a pitch for 60 mins and getting abuse from players, management and supporters?
Until the GAA choose to actually tackle that problem in the association, then there will continue to be issues with the standard.
There are also too many rules now for referees to try and monitor everything.
The second paragraph is just pub talk there is no truth to it.
Who is in charge of referee admin in Cavan? (The GAA have Referee Administrators & Recruitment Officers in each of the 32 Counties to help you get started and assist you in progress as a referee.)
If the standard and especially fitness is so bad that clubs won't participate in knockout matches, then something needs to be done. Cavan have lots of admin positions, but I can't see who does referess.
https://cavangaa.ie/county-committee/
The reason they are having replays is money that's the main driver in HQ.
Why would Down be an example. ?Kilcoo aside, they haven't had much to shout about recently in the Ulster club.
Tyrone clubs are very competitive at Junior and Intermediate in Ulster. Winning both titles last year. At Senior club level they haven't been getting over the line, but will likely change sooner or later. It's not like their teams are getting hammered in the Ulster senior club like Cavan..
And no I don't remember any praise about a replay in 2020. Rte were baffled there wasn't Extra time since the game was on TV. It looked silly
A lot of the referees are not fit enough to keep up with play. It may be a thankless job but, at the end of the day, they are the ones getting at least €50, even for a juvenile game, to be there. The least they could do is stay in shape for the role.
The WAC point was that the standard of refereeing could result in one poor decision costing a hard working team their whole championship season in a knock out championship.
Maybe the standard of refeering is so poor because the referees are even more worn out than the players. Some players can get a breather when the action is away from them. But the referee has to be able to keep up with the action at all times. I didn't hear the WAC piece, but that is a very odd argument they made.
When exactly did the Tyrone championship become the marker for everything in Cavan? Tyrone have as poor a record in the Ulster club championship as we do so not sure why they would be the benchmark. Maybe quote another county with a better success rate like Down if you want to use an example.
The lads on WAC made a good point when it was said that the standard of refereeing is too poor to have a straight knock out championship like Tyrone.
Players prefer games. It’s better to let the teams go at it again next weekend than “piling” an extra 20 minutes onto already tired bodies.
Castlerahan in 2020 went to extra time in their QF versus Lavey and then their SF against Crosserlough a week later. You ask them lads how two games like that in seven days affected them.
The body of an amateur Gaelic footballer is used to 60 to 70 minutes of football, in extra time you see lads going down all over the place because it is pushing lads to the limits.
If you remember, Cavan got a lot of media praise in Covid times that our senior final of 2020 did go to a replay.
Extreme or not it's a lot games to win a Championship.. and who's to say it doesn't happen this year.
As for player welfare, piling on games doesn't help things. Those teams back at it next weekend, instead of a couple of weeks break
Tyrone championship is decided on the day.
That’s as extreme an example as you can get.
My worry is not for the crowd and what they want. It’s for player welfare.
We now have 3 replays from this weekend anyway so we’ll see if they are flat when played. Somehow I doubt they will be with the clubs involved.
Kingscourt won the County title in 2015 and played 10 games. A replay in quarter final, Semi final and Final. They were that wrecked after it they didn't want to know about Ulster club.
Replays are usually flat compared to the first game also. I doubt the crowd wouldn't have minded extra time
Ah the old blame county board raises its head. Do you think they are making a killing off a senior QF game?
A replay is always preferable to me where the schedule allows it. These are amateurs. The way the game is gone they are playing the guts of 70 minutes at a high intensity and with hits that are very hard. Last nights game had no quarter given by either side.
Crosserlough went to a replay against Castlerahan a few years back and it wasn’t pretty. Players, amongst some of the fittest in the county, barely able to walk off the pitch post game.
Give them another day out to decide it.
Surely they could play Extra time instead of replays at the quarter finals. All about money with the County board. They had a replay in one of Division 1 league semis
Laragh go seven points up and score three goals against Ramor yet still can’t get over the line. They may just give up. Ramor will walk the replay.
An exciting enough game but low on quality with alot of unforced errors.
Cavan’s probable new number 1 badly caught out for the third Laragh goal.
There a quite simple formula to beat down if you are bigger than them, push up hard on their kickouts and obliterate them around the middle. For some bizarre reason we didn't do that in the Tailteann semi. A very average Meath did in the final and won it.
Down aren't a big team so wasn't there size that would have been the difference. Cavan had bigger players around the middle. They had lots of pace, while Cavan were slow as a snail moving the ball
What confused me was other counties in Ulster, well going by what supporters from other places said to me, seemed to think our strong point was our size and conditioning.
That did help us in Div 3 against teams like Offaly or Westmeath but we certainly looked second rate against Down or Armagh.
Our approach seems to have been to press high in the middle 3rd with a view to turn over our opposition there and try to attack then before they get set defensively. We then often leave our Full Back line man to man. It seems to me in many games we were just not very effective at doing turn overs up the field and then suffered the double whammy of being isolated in the Full Back line. Not sure Cavan have the players to do what Graham was trying to do. The tactics need a re-look thats for sure.
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