The king is dead, long live the king.
Only 102 days to lights out for 2023..
Along time ago since ricciardo was in the red bull but he was successful in Renault.
The mclaren was a write off but he looked OK in the AT until his injury so jury is still out.
Riccardo would be a great driver for Aston Martin. A bit of a missed opportunity
The thing with Ricciardo isn't so much if we think he's good enough for red bull, but there does seem to be a belief in the red bull team around him.
A reason in alpha Tauri (who is rumoured to be using way more red bull parts next year) will prove or disprove this anyway.
I presume Riccardo is in the AT next year to keep him fresh enough should RB need to pull the trigger and boot Perez out mid season.
Lawson will then slot in beside Yuki.
So max can win the title in the sprint race in 2 weeks time
Eff it, just put Lawson in the other Red Bull, he could hardly do worse than Perez. They have the Constructors now so nothing to lose.
I've looked it up now, the last time someone won the title on a Saturday was at the '82 Caesar's Parking Lot GP.
Can't imagine Sargent will be driving for Williams next year?
You'd think that but the second red bull seat is a bit toxic. If you look at the drivers who have failed in that seat but we they're good drivers because they do well elsewhere after being dropped in ignominy. Gasley and Albon spring to mind form recent years. But then there's Ricciardo, Vettel and now Perez.
Who was the last driver who actually excelled in the second seat? Webber is probably the last one.
Ferrari are poor in lots of regards but they are getting decent results from both drivers. Sainz was probably behind Leclerc but he's done well to get ahead of Leclerc as this season progressed. Mercedes are getting good performances from both drivers. Same with mclaren.
I think red bull need to look at their own systems and how they can support both drivers. I'd say Lawson would be swallowed up if he went to the Red Bull second seat, no matter how good he is or how much potential he has.
Only watched the extended highlights. There’s been some nice development this year for intra team rivalries. Happy that most of them are confirmed for next year again.
How come Red Bull were allowed send there second car with Perez back out after retiring it? Surely this should be illegal and not allowed.
I am sure there will be a lot of teams not too happy that they done that.
They said on sky's coverage that it's legal, but FIA aren't happy, so will look to tighten up any loopholes.
I guess they are unhappy the for reasons about serving the penalty, but I wouldn't have thought that sending a fixed car back out is beyond the realm of possibility.
I thought that happened back in the days of high dnf where you could get back in the points by finishing.
Will see how they address it anyway.
You still need to be within 107% of the winner to be classified. And yes perfectly legal to repair a car and send it out again.
The 107% rule relates solely to qualifying no? Not sure if it also impacts the race but don't think so
As above thats only for qualifying.
I'm surprised as this has happened before a few times, its niche sure but it happens.
Perez and Raikkonen unretired in Baku's first grand prix after a red flag. Raikkonen retired a second time iirc.
And Coulthard and Salo both made late-ish reappearances after retiring in the late 90's wet clusterfùck of a Belgian race. They were I think 7 laps down there were only 6 runners left and the top 6 got points so while Coulthard eventually finished 7th, one more retirement and he had a point.
It was doing it to avoid a future penalty that will likely be clamped down on/he'll get a grid penalty next race anyway.
Think you have to complete 90% of the race distance to be classified. Remember in the 90s you'd often have nom classified finishers.
I think that Belgian GP was what I remembered re the unretiring.
I take your word for it on the 90% rule. I'll the 90s and 00s you also had cars classified who retired a few laps from the end. How that worked was always a mystery to me (and the commentators as I recall)
62) RACE CLASSIFICATION
From the sporting regulations. - https://www.fia.com/sites/default/files/fia_2023_formula_1_sporting_regulations_-_issue_1_-_2022-07-19.pdf
Thats simple, they got classiffied by virtue they could have done say 68/70 laps yet you could have cars finish the race 3 or 4 laps down, thus finishing only on their lap 66/67.
So the car that managed 68 laps would have to be classed ahead of the ones that only did 66/67
But if Perez had served his penalty then retired the car he isn't classified so either way it makes no difference. Penalty was served.
Red Bull a step ahead strategically as always
The big problem was Crofty and especially Ted making it in some massive controversy as per usual. This used to happen a lot and it was perfectly fine
Qatar up next. It will be a sprint race weekend.
There seems to be a fairly common perception amongst newer fans of F1 in this part of the world that Red Bull are the baddie, and somewhat underhand in how they achieve their results.
I put this down to Sky UK's coverage of the '21 season finale, and the cost cap breach last year.
Anyone who has watched F1 for a long time (or has watched any other racing series) will know that there is nothing wrong with re-entering the racetrack after being stopped in the garage. The difference is that in the modern-era of F1, it's very rarely worth it to do that.
The winner is always the Baddie, like when Mercedes won, it was all down how they played FIA and the rules to get the best engine. Ferrari before ...
Just saw a video of Horner commenting on the lineup and Lawson. Not sure how serious some of the suggestions are to get him into the Red Bull seat soon but definitely best for him to spend at least a season in Alpha Tauri. Rushing Albon into a Red Bull essentially lost him a years experience and he looks like a fine driver.
Perez really needs to pull the finger out in any case to assure his 2024 drive. He’s a good driver and has had pressure at points in all his Red Bull seasons but shouldn’t be going backwards at this stage in that car. Really poor decision making the second half of this year.
Really interesting to see who will be in line for that seat in 2025 given some contracts ending in 2024. Wonder are the bridges burned for the likes of Gasly and Albon if they were to impress in the interim. Maybe they could get Alonso in to keep the peace!
Tbf there is a bit of a unique scenario in that it's pretty clear Perez only re-entered specifically with the goal to serve the penalty and nothing else.
Other re-entries have generally been attempts to try and sneak into the final few points positions if it seemed likely, if it was an ongoing high attrition race.
If Red Bull had left Perez trudging around the back for a while again after the penalty was served they could try and claim they were evaluating data to see whether some component was more damaged than it looked or something but they were incredibly obvious in the stunt.
Did I hear correctly that if Max is on the podium for the sprint, he wins the championship?
That may be true of course, but the rules allow it. No doubt that loophole will soon be closed but fair play to RB for knowing about it and taking advantage.
It’s no different to a golfer using the rules to get a preferable lie if they find themselves in trouble.
