A pit bull dog below in Wexford the latest episode of a child been savaged . Are these dogs suitable for pets .
PS The only people with Pitbulls or similar in our town are involved in drug dealing and or general criminality.
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"its the owners" - there is countless cases of experienced dog handlers who have been mauled to death by there own XL bullys. Family pet XL Bullys mauled to death children and their owners.
If that's the case, it shouldn't be a problem for you, to list some, or stats or something.., countless as you say, that will be easy for you.
People showing pictures of there toddler next to their 12 stone XL bully to show how gentle they are, are morons. You have your child taken off you not your dog, idiot.
I have pics of my kids taken with dogs. What's wrong with that? Unless the weight of the dog matters. I have pictures of my two lads taken with horses too. And that's a big difference in muscles and weight.. Just missing your point there..
Yet AGAIN the last 2 fatal attacks were not PitBulls or AM Bullys, they WERE in one case by a restricted breed, 2 Rottweilers. It happened on the owner/families property not in a public place so a mandatory muzzle law for all dogs in public wouldn't have helped nor would it have helped in the other case that was a Dachshund x Terrier mix, but yeah Pitbulls/AM Bullies are the only dogs to ever do ANYTHING wrong at all in some posters eyes here.
Irony would mean he DID hurt someone/something though so I guess the irony is on you there, fact is he'd been attacked multiple times and despite being a dog breed developed for fighting other dogs and pest control etc he never fought back.
Its cruel to have venomoid snakes considering its like cutting a dogs tail or ears off, venom is used in the aid of digestion and subduing their prey unlike constrictors where they suffocate theirs. I said I kept them I didn't say I treated them like pets, they're not your average Cornsnake etc and not for everyone just like certain dog breeds aren't as they're behaviors, size requirements etc are very different.
I didn't say breeds of people im comparing the actions of a few individuals of a specific races to a specific dog breeds individuals actions asking is its fair to judge one lot as a whole being aggressive because of simply what they are or is it their upbringings, parents or in the case of the dogs owners if you can't understand that you might as well scroll by my post, btw i've a sister whose mixed race incase you think oh he must be racist making those remarks, facts are facts though black victims/perpetrators are over represented in stabbings etc in the likes of London so are they an inherently violent race or is it their upbringing etc as I said. Just in case you don't believe me about the stats.
https://news.sky.com/story/black-murder-victims-and-suspects-london-v-uk-11443656
If they only act on instinct why was my dogs one when attack 3 times in one night by the same dog or the other one with the Husky not to defend himself surely it would be, just like you or I or anyone on this thread would try to defend themselves from being attacked, especially if it was a case of one on one.
With regards to breeds though, why is there subspecies of almost every described animal but when people have physiological/morphological differences theres not again its a fact certain cultures look different, its not a bad thing its just how nature is.
"any dog can be aggressive" - sure but its all pitbulls involved in these attacks
"My dog wouldn't hurt a fly, a pure softie" - sure your they might never attack but if they do the difference is the dog can kill you or your child, you haven't a prayer of controlling such a powerful dog.
What was hilarious was the reference to the pet rattlesnake being more dangerous. How irresponsible not to have a rattlesnake in a home defanged?
People addicted to the thrill of owning dangerous animals are not in the best position to judge whether that ownership is appropriate.
I think it's hilarious that people are still rolling out the "well, my bull terrier would never hurt a fly" without any irony.
What a horrible post. We don't have breeds of people and comparing different races of people to different breeds of dogs is wholly inappropriate and disgusting. People don't act on instinct, dogs do.
You're the one missing the point if they didn't exist, there'd still plenty of dogs killing people of all ages like I mentioned that Leonberger being one of 8 dogs attacking their own walker, and the owner KNOWING it wasn't a well mannered/trained dog letting leave the house without a muzzle, if I was to do that with my dog knowing he was pretty much a ticking timebomb by the sounds of that attack on that walker they'd be calling for my dog to be put down and others of his breed. I made the comparison of the teens around town here or the drill rap/postcode gangs in the UK where an overwhelming majority of stabbings etc are black, does that make blacks a highly volatile race of likely killers because thats just how these dog breeds are being viewed on the actions of some **** owners just like these teens causing trouble here or the gangs in the UK its their upbringings, lack of parenting etc not because they're black etc. Like I previously mentioned the last two fatal attacks on people here didn't involve Apbt/Am Bullys etc but didn't involve negligence of part of the parents/guardians to a degree. No dog in their right mind wakes up and thinks "f**k i'll kill someone today" just because. If these breeds are the so called devil dogs why didn't my Bull Terrier attack and likely kill the Husky that was attached to his face when it attacked him, because anyone who knows dogs would tell you a Bull Terrier if it wanted to would make short work of a Husky, pound for pound they're the most muscular dog breed there is and theres no breed standard so they can be 20kg-34kg but the biggest one was 49kg thats more than your average Rottweiler and Labrador by a good margin tbh. I nor my brother raised our dog to act aggressive in anyway but we did socialise him with other dogs and people, and all sorts of other stuff so he'd be a well mannered dog otherwise he could be a problem just like every other dog you see in the street.
For the people saying oh x breed is small a kick and its dealt with, plenty of babies/children weren't that fortunate and were killed by these so called "SAFE" breeds that the media don't do the hype not nearly as much with when they kill a child because it doesn't sell papers but my dog or a German shepherd or Staffy etc baring their teeth WILL sell papers and get uproar over a given incident. Sure wasn't there photos of the dog that killed Mia O'Connell in the media, a mixed breed dachshund-terrier cross but when Alejandro Mizan was attacked the media went mental with reports of pitbulls doing this and that, but when another breed actually KILLED someone there was no calls to go banning or fining owners more only when it involved the pitbull did the government want to do something.
Yet again ypou miss the main point. It's not about biting, Pitbulls kill/seriously injure, way more than all other dog breeds put together.
These dogs need to be banned and all rounded up for Euthanasia. I had a problematic neighbor with a Pitbull, I got my solicitor to notify the landlord we would be holding him civilly responsible due to his inaction on his tenants dangerous dog and the risk it posed to my own tenants young children of 2 and 5. He evicted them within a month and sold up after that. Don't accept it and fight back as it is only criminal elements harbour these killer animals.
I never see muzzles on dogs. These big powerful dogs should have them on. Why should some elderly person or child have to feel nervous, intimidated or be put in actual danger as these dogs are out being walked?
Exactly my point and what if you did put all Apbt's down would it have/did it stopped the other breeds as i've mentioned killing people too NOPE because you'd have to kill every dog on sight to completely stop bites/deaths by dogs and well thats never going to happen.
Because they LIKE them is why, im guessing you've never heard of "Rage Syndrome" in Cocker Spaniels then too btw ?
I can't speak for other owners of so called aggressive breeds but of all the animals i've ever owned my Bull Terrier wasn't even in the top 5 of being potentially deadly, I had Rattlesnakes etc at home too when I had him, again because I could, I don't need to brag on Youtube etc showing me free handling them though nor did I or my brother need to act the big man, sure he was about 6'2/3 by 14 y/o thats intimidating enough especially when you're well built too, im not as tall but again I didn't hang around street corners or be out selling drugs like how some owners of these dogs would again thats a tiny minority. A neighbour of mine has a Staffordshire Bull Terrier, he also has fostered 13/14 kids and taken in foreign exchange students too and never had a problem with his dog with any of them why because she was trained/socialised and NEVER left unsupervised with either his own kids or the ones in his care, and despite being a dog of a breed bred for fighting she is more than well mannered with all other dogs she meets BECAUSE of how she was raised. I'd sooner have her than some of the smaller dogs I see walking around my town that have not been socialised so go apeshit when they see another dog etc while on the lead and if it was her acting that way you can be sure he'd be getting a visit from the dog warden/gardai in no time.
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So I don't think banning them is going to do much. There will always be some new cross breed that will come in to replace them and fall into the hands of the of the irresponsible owners. What would be better is to crackdown on the breeding and importing of dogs. Bad breeding practices and irresponsible homing of dogs like these is the real problem. Backyard breeders and puppy farms should be completely outlawed but for some reason our government doesn't want to do anything about it. So not only are powerful dogs with the potential of being deadly getting into the hands of people who are either illequiped to deal with the training and control of owning a dog like this or people or are looking for a ferocious status symbom and have no concern for the safety of others, but they are also badly bred and possible dangerous traits are being bred into them.
On top of that the dog licence system is a joke. When we got our dog I asked a few people had they got the annual licence or the lifetime one when they got their dog and every single dog owner i asked did not have a licence. Dogs should be microchipped and licence and if caught without there should be no warning, straight to a fine or even have the dog removed. If you bring a dog to a vet who is not chipped, the vet should be obliged to microchip at your expense or report it.
Its far to easy for people to buy a dog and then do nothing required to look after it resulting in dangerous, unsocialised dogs of all breeds becoming too common and thousands of dogs a year being mistreated and abandoned.
Why on earth would anyone want one of those creatures, just to feel a big man? I’ve had spaniels and they were very affectionate and always on a lead.
In the very unlikely event they would have attacked anyone a swift kick would have stopped them. Walking home from Rialto recently I came across some lad walking a dog that looked it was on steroids off lead, was glad to get past it
Absolutely. As I keep saying, no responsible owner would own one of those dogs.
It seems that 'ban' didn't go far enough as it didn't involve putting them down. It was more of a restriction but probably saved some attacks and at least some action can be taken if a ban is in place.
'Banned dogs also had to be fitted with muzzles when taken out for walks and owners had to purchase third-party insurance in case their animal hurt someone. But the Daily Mail reported shortly before a deadline came into force in 1991 that three in four owners of the 10,000 pit bulls in Britain had failed to register their dogs'
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No. I shouldn't. Keep your fur babies on a leash. No issues then. I don't want there "friendliness" or shite on the footpaths.
It really isn't ludicrous comparison.
Who would have thought that decades of selectively breeding dogs for its aggression and ferociousness could have led to this outcome?
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That poster likes to play games. But sometimes he's right, just hard to read it in his posts imo. All dogs should be on the lead in public places. Yet plenty ignores it. And I'll fully backup muzzle up all, as he/she says. I've said that here before, don't understand why all doggies and all owners can't be on the same line. No more stupid excuses on any size of the doggo beside us.
No, it's never acceptable.
But a scumbag letting a springer spaniel run around unsupervised is annoying and might give a child a nasty nip, but anyone over the age of 12 is going to be able to discipline the dog. One swift kick and the threat is neutralized.
A scumbag with an XL Bully is a threat to everyone in the vicinity and even grown men can't control the thing.
You need big dogs to feel like a man. I get that. It's like rednecks in USA with their assault rifles. And you don't see anything wrong with people being attacked for no reason by vicious dogs. That's harder to understand but OK. Again, gun nuts in the USA don't care about shooting victims, so it's not unusual.
But your emotional deficits should not be more important than the safety of others.
Maybe you should concentrate on keeping yourself away from dogs, rather than saying “keep them away from me”.
You don’t own the space you’re walking in.
Lol, the real world. This site is full of cranks and weirdos.
If you would actually care, any crap owner would be a concern. That comparison in your post is shocking. It's like saying, till dog is small enough, do as you please and it's acceptable by majority as something normal. I hope that's not what you think of course. But I suspect plenty are buying into this misleading concept.
Annoying teens are one thing, a better comparison is the teens kicking homeless people to death, stabbing people to death for a phone etc, but sure the 30-50+ previous convictions before they're 16 are a deterrent surely, again NO because actual proactive actions have to be made against their parents just like dog owners if their dog is being a nuisance etc take it off them. Letting people breed and sell some of these dogs breeds funds gangs too, not all of them but some do laundering money by breeding high priced exotic colour Am Bullys, French Bulldogs etc. The closest thing you could probably do to eradicate dog attacks in public would be a mandatory muzzle law but then that wouldn't have stopped either Mia O'Connell or Glen Murphys deaths by dogs in the family homes in which none of the 3 dogs involved were Apbts or AmBullys btw, so the you're back at square one, with having to teach people, especially kids how to react around kids and not leave small children unsupervised with ANY dog regardless of breed even when that sounds doable you know theres still going to be negligent owners whos dogs will bite and or killing someone regardless of how much you time and effort you put into educating people about risks, just like I mentioned about the speeding issue, lowering the legal limit does nothing if people aren't going to drive care and attention while not flying down backroads after a few drinks or letting kids drive tractors illegally on public roads.
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