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Temple street hospital using unauthorised devices

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 57,077 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    And he worked at Cappagh hospital too. Is there more to come out I wonder?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,518 ✭✭✭✭GreeBo


    I thought I heard on Newstalk that they had suspended surgeries during the investigation and that had caused the backlog to get worse?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,527 ✭✭✭Sheep breeder


    That is only in Temple street and we are talking about crumlin where most teenagers are done. The backlog has being there for years due to children not being seen in time and awaiting list gets longer and children get older and need longer procedures from 8 to 9 hours on the operating table.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,333 ✭✭✭✭JRant


    I'd say it's the tip of the iceberg right now.

    "Well, yeah, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man"



  • Posts: 24,207 ✭✭✭✭ Nayeli Victorious Trombone


    I’d have a lot more confidence hiring in Orthopaedic Veterinary Professor Noel Fitzpatrick to work on my theoretical child’s spine, at least he is seriously experienced at creating bio-engineering solutions



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,792 ✭✭✭silliussoddius


    It’s so bizarre that how would you think people would do it in the first place and then check for it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,339 ✭✭✭lawrencesummers


    The timeline on this is interesting.

    Correct me if im wrong.

    1.The ditch broke the story (kudos to them)

    2.The HSE / government quickly announced a review of the surgeries as if they never knew about it before.

    3.The ‘main stream’ media start reporting on the story. Rte do a tv show on it etc etc.

    Im not one for tin hat stuff, but while the ditch appear to have made a habit of reporting stories that highlight the corruption and incompetence of the government and government members Its a clear conflict of interest for RTE to do the same while also continually looking for financial handouts, but as soon as the story is out there they jump aboard



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,792 ✭✭✭silliussoddius


    It would depend on how the story got to them, was the story presented to someone else first?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,273 ✭✭✭Doc07


    I’m not saying you’re completely wrong and I’m not defending any of the accusations but the hospital and HSE had conducted at least one review and another was underway before the Ditch article was published



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,042 ✭✭✭✭Itssoeasy


    As someone who worked in a hospital for nearly a decade in a department that would have had constant contact with the operating theatre and nurses and surgeons this is insane stuff. The surgeon in question obviously has to be held accountable for his actions but I’m curious which other members to that hospital team fucked up, because I can’t understand how it happened as a surgeon couldn't normally just use things out of the blue.

    Did the scrubs nurses not notice that there was a difference in the implants being used ?

    It seems it was some new technique, and I was thinking were new instruments sets used, I doubt there was as no rep I ever knew would allow stuff other then their own stuff be used during a procedure because most of the time the instruments matched the implant. For example hip and knee replacements, the different companies have their own custom sets and implants that work with those sets.


    Also, I wonder did these springs come into the hospital pre sterilised ? If they didn’t then someone in the CSSD/CDU department have questions to answer.

    Post edited by Itssoeasy on


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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,623 Mod ✭✭✭✭Amirani


    The investigation has been underway for a while now, and the surgeon in question hasn't been performing surgeries for a number of months. So your timeline is inaccurate.

    There's nothing to suggest this is in anyway Government related yet either, so it seems you've a conspiracy searching for a theory there.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,339 ✭✭✭lawrencesummers


    The outcome of this of course is that the patients and their parents will be promised a thorough investigation and increased resources for their clinical needs.

    The investigation will then be stalled and delayed for ages, the final report not published for a long time and the parents and the victims will have to engage private legal representation to battle for years in the hope of accessing compensation.

    The will be up against the well resourced and massively funded legal side of the HSE who will delay and delay the efforts of the parents and victims while ministers managers and doctors change jobs and positions and eventually a decade or so from now the courts will rule for a massive compensation for those victims or the HSE will pay millions out of its budget to settle those cases and the lawyers involved will take a massive cut of the proceeds while the patients and parents endure living hell.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,339 ✭✭✭lawrencesummers




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,339 ✭✭✭lawrencesummers




  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,623 Mod ✭✭✭✭Amirani


    The review has been going on since before the Ditch broke the story. So point 2 and point 1 are in the wrong order.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,681 ✭✭✭Floppybits


    Can give examples of the nonsense about why this happened that have been posted in this thread?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,368 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,681 ✭✭✭Floppybits


    That is one. Any others because in your comment you intimated that the thread was full of nonsense?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,574 ✭✭✭arctictree


    I stand by exactly what I said and I'll quote it here again:

    "Why oh why do we have hundreds of disappointed Irish CAO applicants yearly for Medicine and at the same time import foreign doctors with dubious qualifications? The stupidity of this country astounds me."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,368 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    I didnt intimate anything. that was my first post on the thread.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,000 ✭✭✭Get Real


    The investigation has been underway for months. Fair. I'm not one for big conspiracy theories.

    But only now that it's public, is the investigation being outsourced to a UK group to come in and look at it.

    This surgeon was allowed to continue performing surgeries after concerns were first raised.

    I'll be interested to see how many (if any-he may have reverted to professional methods) dodgy surgeries continued after concerns were first raised.

    Also interested on each of the multiple surgeries what other medical staff noticed something or were part of it. Or can they claim complete ignorance on the equipment used in the surgeries they're present for?

    Vast majority of HSE staff are professional. But I'm completely against this in house business and a concern almost for reputational damage first before all else.

    Surgeon, and any accomplices should be dealt with and accountable. Surgeon obviously primarily-lose job&criminal proceedings. But any accomplices should also be held to account.

    Saying nothing while this is going on can't be put down to a mistake or "it's not their fault". Those people are also partly responsible and failing to act is an act in itself.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,681 ✭✭✭Floppybits


    If other people knew about this and did nothing then yes they should be held accountable too but in saying that we have seen what happens to people in this country who report stuff like this. Maurice McCabe is a prime example and how he was treated, the HSE and the wide Civil/Public service have created a culture of fear around whistleblowers. Anyone who blows the whistle on malpractice or corruption has massive fight on their hands as the establishment will look to ignore or destroy them rather than admit to the wrong doing and look to fix it. Sure we only have to look at the case across the water with the nurse killing babies and the senior person reported it, he was made apologise to her. So I can understand the reluctance of people to stick their heads above the parapet, as they say. Still not right though.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,339 ✭✭✭lawrencesummers


    The review with some Uk based doctor has been announced since, thats what i was referring to.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,339 ✭✭✭lawrencesummers


    There have been 2 reviews / investigations already. The third one is to involve a UK based doctor



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,273 ✭✭✭Doc07




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,749 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    Rogue "doctor".



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,013 ✭✭✭thomas 123


    I think the point is RTE should have been able to break this story sooner then after the ditch runs it. Same goes for virgin media - how can an operation like the ditch find this stuff out? - clearly it was being spoken about enough for them to get wind of it and do some digging.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,718 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    I understood that the hospital involved had already stopped scoliosis surgery by the surgeon involved and were investigating due to it all being flagged by staff internally ?

    Not sure where the Ditch came in tbh .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,038 ✭✭✭✭SEPT 23 1989


    So is this butcher still working on children?

    did I miss hear today he is still operating until the investigation is finished



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  • Posts: 24,207 ✭✭✭✭ Nayeli Victorious Trombone


    I personally was told of a surgeon operating using cocaine (by spouse) and a severely alcoholic anaesthetist have to down the drink surreptitiously before surgeries, by a surgical assistant. It happens and takes a lot of doing to get them removed.



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