Pretty disappointing news honestly if not surprising. I think an LNG terminal in Ireland would be ideal for energy security but of course Eamon Ryan has different ideas.
If only he’d share his alternatives..
https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/shannon-lng-650m-liquefied-natural-gas-facility-to-be-rejected-by-an-bord-pleanala/a1564144302.html
Ah, you want to protect against a ‘Mad Max’ scenario in Great Britain. This is an incredibly unlikely scenario. The political and economic consequences of cutting that supply off deliberately would be extremely severe for Great Britain. The Americans would turn against them and the Inion would break up.
With an LNG terminal we are still relying on ‘the kindness of strangers’. Do you think we should buy a couple of LNG ships as well, and a gas field in the Middle East too?
Exactly what risk do you believe an LNG terminal in Ireland will mitigate? All the risks you describe there have been mitigated already by the extra LNG capacity already coming on stream across Europe.
We still have stockpiled oil we can rely on for electricity generation and we can buy more if we need it.
I have explained the point about how a commercial terminal would make bills rise before. If anything isn’t clear, please ask.
from an energy security perspective it will give us more headroom than we have now because we don't have any LNG carriers.
We rely on two pressure pumps in Scotland to keep our NG gas going and don't think for a moment that the descendants of Oliver Cromwell would not turn it off in a heart beat
Same with our strategic oil reserves, 70% in France with no merchant navy to transport it
The pipe to the Kinsale field is too narrow to function as a meaningful reserve
Mayo is the same
Like during the crash, will will rely on the kindness of strangers
Europe had access to Russian gas, until it didn't. Interconnectors of all types are a really, really stupid alternatives to self-sufficiency. Anyone thinking interconnectors should be a cornerstone of any energy infrastructure is barking mad.
a result having a terminal in Ireland won’t change anything.
More supply = more better. If it wouldn't have changed anything, the why did they wanted to build it? Even if it was just for the additional bossiness and employment and taxes it would have been a plus.
We already have access to LNG supplies through the UK and the EU. There is now a large surplus of LNG import capacity coming on stream in Europe, something that wasn’t true three years ago. As a result having a terminal in Ireland won’t change anything.
Nah it's the same innit - literally no reason why Ireland can't do the same! 🤣
You can't make this up.
So he found a short term solution but only for Dublin, the rest of the country can fk off and freeze.
😂😂
Even better.... Ryan has approved the purchase and use of diesel generators (300 MW) for this winter and probabaly the next few winters.
Two large emergency electricity generators sought for Dublin – The Irish Times
I didn’t say that it would make prices rise. It would make bills rise.
How exactly would a private company building an LNG terminal "make bills rise"?
What exactly is this short term problem that we have that a commercial LNG terminal is the solution to?
It's more a medium term problem than a short term problem. When the Corrib field runs down over the next ten years, we will be completely reliant on gas imported from the UK for electricity generation as the backup to renewables. We used to have a very diversified system, with oil, gas, coal, with oil and plenty of stored or stockpiled oil and coal. Is the world much more politically stable now, that we don't need a diversified and dependable fuel supply? Or is the plan to rely more on Moneypoint (coal or oil if it gets converted) and the data centres using their own diesel generators? How will that work out for CO2 emissions?
Short term problem is our dependance on fossil fuel, especially natural gas for home heating and electricity, and it's price and availability and the fact Russia controls a lot of the supply. Short term solution is to use LNG instead of piped gas.
I'd love to see how you work out something with a COP of 1.5-4 is inefficient when a gas boiler has a cop of 0.9
Either way, carbon tax will ensure switching is the smarter financial choice
Did you see, the govt also provide 100% funding for those less well off?
So your solution, which you want to move to asap, is to indebt a large proportion of the population further by installing an inefficient energy system. Doesn't sound very green does it? Until new tech arrives it is pointless installing heat pumps as a heating solution in the vast majority of houses that currently use fossil fuel.
What about when our sun goes supernova?
Gas and oil will eventually run out, and if by that time we don't have a plan we will be fked. End of civilization fked. But it's crazy that we choose to fk ourselves now out of fear of what may happen in the future. We have a short term problem, and we do have a short term solution. The sane thing to do would be to use the sort term solution to buy us time to look for alternative long term solutions.
You answered that already earlier yourself
You were the one that wants us to do something asap, so tell me what this great viable alternative that I'm meant to heat my house with. And this isn't a solo problem, there hundreds of thousands, if not over million homes that need to move away from fossil fuel heating. What is this great plan that you are so keen for everyone to follow.
Talk to me about what your plan is for when the gas runs out or becomes too expensive?
It’s not an administrative issue, no. It’s a legal issue and there is a strong democratic mandate from member states and the Parliament. The government in fairness is trying to make it more viable to switch. In the end though, homeowners will have to take some responsibility.
We could use the cost of an LNG terminal to help householders upgrade tens of thousands of homes.
Fair play to you!
Argumentative and clear reply supported with numbers. Great to know how Iceland gets their electricity from renewables only ;-)
Wish more posts were like yours and thank you for your time!
So its an administrative issue that can be amended. They're essentially pricing people out of the ability to heat their homes without a clear alternative.
The rush is that natural gas will get very expensive as carbon pricing drives it up. At present the carbon price on home has is only half what it is for electricity and industry (which is set through an auction). As the cap on emissions is reduced prices will go higher and higher.
And shoulder vast amounts of the population with further debt to retro fit houses that aren't suitable for electric heating. I live in a house, built '07, c1 ber, big mortgage, by all accounts its not viable to install a heat pump, so whats the alternative that I'm meant to rush to asap.
If wind generation continues to grow, electric vehicles become the norm, why the rush to remove natural gas from heating houses.
As it happens the interconnector cannot be reversed. But even if the flow could be reversed , LNG sourced gas would never ever flow in the easterly direction for the simple reason that Britain and Western Europe have loads of LNG terminals of their own.
unlike what some would have you believe it’s not as simple as just realising the benefits of renewable energies but that we have to have capacity to harvest and store. This will take time.
however while we wait I suppose we are just to endure the ever colder winters.
How will is building an LNG terminal make supplies of gas any less scarce when Europe has more LNG terminals coming online than it knows what to do with?
I didn’t say that it would make prices rise. It would make bills rise. What is this about Eirgrid? Building an electricity plant? These are just capacity contracts. The developers can and will bid to build this if it is commercially workable. It doesn’t require an LNG terminal.
The problem here is that the people proposing this are planning to pay for it with energy consumers’ money, not their own. Why waste consumers’ money on something that won’t bring them any benefit that anybody can explain, other than a warm fuzzy feeling?
All this "panic" just enforces the position that we need to get gas out of our power/heating systems ASAP.
Are you listening to yourself? Gas and electricity prices keep climbing because Russia cut the gas to Europe in a fit and supplies are more scarce.
but having more access would make prices rise? Are you for real? Yeah we will probably end up paying something for the Terminal over the next number of years. But the company also had contracts with EirGrid for supplying the national grid so the benefits are still there for us.
Just stop and realise what you’re opposing and you will understand why it’s ridiculous.
Can the interconnecters be used either direction? Can flow be reversed in one? Is the real issue, that down the line, people are afraid a private LNG terminal could also be used to supply the UK or further afield. Don't really see why this would be a bad idea either btw, just trying to rationalise the negativity against construction.
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