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Shannon LNG terminal plans rejected by ABP

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,665 ✭✭✭Cordell


    I think the sane thing to do is ramp down on fossil fuel only AFTER we ramped up on sustainable alternatives, but what do I know.

    BTW, fracking is totally fine, it doesn't pollute more than normal extraction, and that tap water caching fire thing had nothing to do with fracking and everything to to with political activism. And that political activism in Europe resulted in a fracking ban across the EU, to the benefit of you know who.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,457 ✭✭✭Jizique


    I wonder how that piling and the acoustics will work out for all the offshore wind turbines they are planning to build, plus the cables to bring the electricity ashore



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,457 ✭✭✭Jizique


    The cost of offshore wind turbines will also be passed on to consumers



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,018 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    apart from the cork to limerick motor way there aren't any more road schemes to build currently.

    LNG is of high expensivity and is not secure given we have to rely on other nations to provide it and there is no guarantee those nations will stay on side and wont go rogue.

    all government parties and politicians support these policies, they would be happening whether ryan is in government or not as the majority of the public support the modernisation we are going through.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,018 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    no just modern, efficient, low expensivity renewables which work and are reliable at scale, as they all compliment each other when and where one is not operating to full capacity.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,018 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    no the fire was definitely down to fracking.

    fracking is ultimately a dirty crude old method of extraction that is cheap and nasty but is still expensive to the consumer.

    the EU had to bann it due to the destruction and huge levels of polution it causes.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,018 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    of course they will, but the costs will be lower.

    the consumer is always going to pay some bit for the costs of energy generation and the costs of the infrastructure will always be passed on to us.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,108 ✭✭✭plodder


    Ridiculous as it is, but they could have stipulated that only non-fracked LNG could be used. Qatar is the biggest exporter of LNG and theirs is not fracked

    “The opposite of 'good' is 'good intentions'”



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,108 ✭✭✭plodder


    I'd say the poor dolphins will get short shrift in that case ... 😔

    “The opposite of 'good' is 'good intentions'”



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,665 ✭✭✭Cordell


    Nope, methane in well water also occurs naturally, we don't know if that case presented in the film is actually caused by fracking. Fracking is no worse (and no better) than any other method of gas and oil extraction, and all have a significant local impact on the environment indeed. There is no clean way to extract and process fossil fuel, so the activism against only fracking is baffling - or maybe not considering who is driving it, and who benefits from gas and oil shortages.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,372 ✭✭✭✭ejmaztec



    Yes we should have nuclear power instead, no messing. We can get rid of the wind farms and all associated crap.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,018 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    nuclear power would be unviable due to cost and reliability.

    nuclear would require at least 3 reactors costing 40 billion each and would still require back up from renewables, meaning it's easier, cheaper and more efficient to operate renewables at scale.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,665 ✭✭✭Cordell


    Fusion is 20 years away, that's plenty of time to change the laws.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,346 ✭✭✭Eoinbmw


    Roll on the next election!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,321 ✭✭✭jackboy


    Eamonn Ryan on the news now blaming the Libyan flood on climate change. Using that to explain how the LNG decision is a good one. No integrity.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,363 ✭✭✭prunudo


    And the useless media repeatedly let him off the hook, never challenging him on his statements.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,018 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    it's been 20 years away for decades, and only in the last couple of years have they been able to create a fusion that amounts to a tiny spark.

    it's definitely not going to happen in 20 years, 200 maybe.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,018 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    all of the main political parties support the modernisation plan.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,665 ✭✭✭Cordell


    I was being sarcastic, it's a known joke that goes something like fusion is only 20 years away since 60 years ago.

    We managed to create much more than fusion sparks, but in the form of bombs. We're still yet to achieve a net positive sustained and controlled fusion reaction.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,402 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    We are leaving ourselves hostage to our neighbours for energy.

    That's the be all and end all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 156 ✭✭Pekarirska


    Nuclear is way cheaper than gas. Gas is the most expensive of them all to generate electricity.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,018 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    this is not the case.

    nuclear has been shown to be the most expensive energy generation source but the most unreliable.

    you could have a single power station powering the whole country using gas, a single power station backing that up using coal, a single power station using biomass, and on and on, and all of that would be a fraction of the cost of 1 nuclear reactor in terms of construction, on going operation and decommissioning.

    nuclear looks cheap but when the costs are examined along with everything else it comes out being poor value for money, a high price tag and low reliability.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,864 ✭✭✭Phil.x


    Wasn't he just over in the UK begging that they don't cut us off if things go bad.


    What a total tosser. Resign you gangster



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,727 ✭✭✭Mr. teddywinkles


    These boyos need to go and quickly.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,737 ✭✭✭antoinolachtnai


    We can already import our gas from anywhere. There is plenty LNG capacity in the UK and Europe.

    The interconnectors to GB have to be paid for by Irish gas and electricity consumers whether they are used or not.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,737 ✭✭✭antoinolachtnai


    Gas is traded openly and we can source gas from anywhere in the world. There is plenty LNG capacity in GB and the EU.

    But consumers will have to pay for the cost of the interconnectors to GB whether or not they are used. They are not subject to the open market and are effectively paid for by a levy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,531 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie


    So how will electricity consumers pay for this gas terminal?

    Electricity consumers already pay a pso levy to replace fossil fuel with renewables and for maintenance of the grid.

    This pso doesn’t increase if a new power line is built?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,997 ✭✭✭Jack Daw


    If Eamonn Ryan as so concerned about the environment in this country he would be protesting every day in the Dail saying all immigration to Ireland must be stopped as increasing population increases our use of resources here and therefore is not good for the environment.

    But of course you'll never hear an environmentalist argue against inward migration to any country because being in favour of immigration is part of the leftist doctrine and in reality they are only environmentalist because it's a leftist cause, none of them really care about the environment at all.

    Eamonn Ryan has 4 children.If he genuinely cared about the environment he'd have limited himself to a very maximum of 2 and probably should have stuck with only having 1 child.Having children is by far the worst thing any human being can do for the environment.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,737 ✭✭✭antoinolachtnai


    The cost of gas to supply electricity plants will increase. That cost increase will then be passed on to consumers.

    When a new power line is built the cost is most certainly passed on to punters (but the power line brings benefits which may drive down costs in other ways).



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