https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/you-look-out-and-you-only-see-a-few-people-on-the-strand-washout-july-and-lack-of-beds-hits-tourism-sector-as-hopes-pinned-on-early-season-boost/a610994306.html
Irish hoteliers and others are back blaming the bad weather for their fall in custom, and not their own prices or charges.
What are your own experiences of excessive prices being charged in Ireland relative to the rest of the EU?
I rarely go into town anymore too tbh, it takes something special to get me in. You mentioned the New Yorkers being surprised at how expensive everything is. This is something a lot of people don't realise, when a place gets a reputation as being expensive for tourists it's a very difficult reputation to get rid of. If you're an American coming over for a European trip why would you choose to come to Dublin over London, Paris, Rome, Barcelona etc unless you're visiting family? I can see Dublin/Ireland being by-passed in the future as a tourist destination.
These things take a little time to kick in but the people that came over this summer are now telling their friends and family back in the States that Ireland is incredibly expensive and you have to be lucky with the weather, that will definitely inform future trips booked here. Then some of the places that were happy to take rely on the tourist money could be in real trouble.
Americans were never known to spend money
Dunno would they be affecting hospitality much
They seem to be quite important to the tourism industry for people who were never known to spend money.
You are not wrong.
There is very little price competition in Ireland.
You can pay 2 euro for pints in Cricklewood, suburban London. That's 5 miles, or 30 mins by transit from central London (Piccadilly Circus).
I knew that small town vintners met up so I presume they're working stealthily to not compete
Seems to be a fraternity type setup in general vintners
Dublin is still considerably cheaper than New York (well, Manhatten, anyway). By the time you add tax and tip onto even a domestic beer over there you're looking at $10 a pint even at the cheaper end of the market. A drinkable glass of wine will set you back at least $14 in a bar.
We're not at those prices yet, thankfully.
I don't know much but how do those percentages work out , I thought hospitality was hotels restaurants etc
Does tourism include flights from US
Wouldn't they be using more hire cars too than euro visitors , is that part of the figure
Where in Cricklewood?, heading there in a couple of weeks.
Thats a very anecdotal piece of evidence the upping of restaurants and pubs going to the wall would suggest that people are voting with their feet and either not prepared or not able to pay the prices being asked
They were their customer base before prices became unaffordable if the trend of places shutting their doors continues at the pace it has picked up by from 2020 to 2021 and on to 2022 a lot of people will be out of a job in the sector
The Beaten Docket, 50-56 Cricklewood Broadway, London NW2 3ET, United Kingdom
£2.99 (about 3.50 in real money) ain't bad at all for a pint of Guinness.
Would they do a two-part pour though?
A load of old blarney, apparently.
I thought I saw in another thread that pubs are a bit hobbled by Diageo, not saying that the VFI are all out for the consumer.
Thanks, haven’t been to Cricklewood since I lived n London, The Crown as the spot at that time for all the Irish, can’t go wrong at those prices, Wetherspoons pubs can be a bit hit and miss though.
Yes, it's an okay pub, not great.
Here is good value, though not Spoons prices.
It's near Kentish Town, it's a small pub, good range of ciders, cask ales, and keg beers.
Cask was from 4.47 GBP a pint last year, which is good value for London.
The Lucky 7
Are you in Dublin? I just havent seen any signs of crowds dropping in the city centre or southside villages.
In fact, more places are opening later.
Showing your true colours there. Not giving tips to low paid hospitality workers.
Yes, there has to be a tipping point somewhere, I agree.
I just dont think it has been reached as places are still very busy and there are more bars/restaurants/cafes opening regularly.
There are a lot of wealthy folks in Dublin, at the tech/pharma/finance industries especially and i do think there is a broad divide between those that can pay and those that cant.
As you say, a lot of folks (locals especially) have scaled back hospitality spending and the local villages are more of an enticing option than town, mostly due to the pricing but i think also some folks are nervous of town given the complete mismanagement of our judicial system and the lawlessness that the govt allows to purvey in some parts of the city centre.
But on the flipside, there are so many tourists coming in to Dublin and a new hotel opens every 12 weeks or so.
So although the traditional city centre hospitality base has been squeezed (locals) i think the drop is offset by the high volume of tourists and the under 40s at the multinationals that have a lot of cash.
There isnt an upping in closures though. Not in Dublin.
More places are opening than closing.
In the last 2 weeks I would say about 10 new restaurants or cafes have opened. Maybe 3 or 4 closures.
In terms of bars...
The voyager bar just opened on Dame Lane. 4 Dame Lane reopened. New bar in Leinster hotel about to open. Old Bowery in Rathmines reopening as a bar in October/November. New bar on Harcourt St about to open - Pen and Player.
I could go on, but thats the reality.
If anything price coughing is welcomed in southside villages. Food and drink tastes nicer knowing plebs cant afford them.
I don't be out in Dublin much these days but do me a favour next time your out can you look at the age profile of the people out and about. It would be interesting to note if your seeing many people in the age group of mid 20s to say mid 30s? as this group are out of their wild youthful ways and are the ones where pressure points for rent/mortgages will be kicking in. Dublin has seen a 5% increase of closures than this time last year but with another winter of high energy, petrol/diesel heading back to the 2 euro mark and other costs going through the roof the simple fact is a very high % of the population will not be dining or drinking out when their is much cheaper alternatives as in buying in the shops cooking and buying beers from the supermarket. Some people will still eat out as they can afford it but as I say it would be interesting to get a break down of the age profile of people out in Dublin.
Exactly. Who wants to be in the same restaurant as people who are too mean to leave a tip.
Who wants to support a business that is too mean to pay their employees a fair wage?
No worker should be depending on tips, if you can't afford to pay decent wages to decent staff then you need to jog on and find some other way to make a living.
Not sure if it falls under gouging, but the George Hotel in Limerick that we used to often use have stopped doing their Corporate Rates as of January 2023. Used to always be able to get a small reduction, circa 10%. Pity.
Weird one, but they don't put a first name in their email responses which is kinda annoying.
Don't be stupid.
It’s the Placebo effect, and recognised by advertisers the world over, we assume cheap can’t be good, good can’t be cheap. So ya, restaurants/bars may want less customers, who spend more, than more customers spend less. No great mystery as to why.
That might work in the drinks industry because Stella Artois is brewed Anheuser-Busch and if you find Stella too expensive there's a chance you'll opt for one of the dozens of other beers they brew, so there's a good chance they'll pick up the business with one of their other 'cheaper' products. Unless you own multiple bars or restaurants that all serve different levels of the market you're just losing business by aiming at the top level consumer, and that might be okay now but if a recession hits many of these places will be in trouble because they'll be chasing a smaller customer pool.
I think the 'Placebo effect' is something different by the way.
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