The key elements include six high speed charging hubs on motorways capable of charging eight vehicles simultaneously; 16 high speed charging hubs capable of charging four vehicles simultaneously; additional high power chargers at 34 current 50 kW locations; upgrading over 50 22 kW chargers to 50 kW, and replacing up to 264 locations with 528 charge points at the pre-existing pilot grade of 22 kW to next generation high reliability models.
Ah here, it was coiled very loosely around the pole, similar to a helter skelter and it didn't get warm. Can this stop now? Please?
I haven't publicly charged the new car on AC yet and when I do I won't wrap the cable around anything I promise, is everyone happy? Good 🙂 (I wouldn't be able to as it's too heavy or I'm too puny🥵)
Junction 14 offline from 9am till 4pm tomorrow. Thats just mental, brand new charging hub on an extremely busy motorway. Can't they do the works at night? I bet the petrol station won't lose power.
Topics can go where they need to so long as they are somewhat on topic, I'm sure some people will have learnt something. If the person from your original experience where you were told to coil the cable around the bollard reads this perhaps they wouldn't have the mistaken belief that it was a cable holder.
The term "brand new" might be a stretch here. It opened as a charging hub over 2 years ago now. Agreed that the petrol/diesel pumps are given priority here
yeah it opened in June 2021, so even the term 'new' is a stretch, never mind 'brand new'
Ah now, you can't be expecting those poor ESBN workers to work at night? 😏
I guess in the case of the petrol station the argument is that if it does lose power there's always another one down the road
Same logic probably doesn't hold true for EV chargers yet, nearest equivalent hub is probably Ionity Kill?
There's other chargers around that area but not to the same scale as Mayfield
Worth remembering that a petrol station would need less electricity than a charging hub and could probably run on a diesel generator for the 8 hours.
There's also a 3 car "hub" at Portlaoise which would be nearer but the last time I was there the power was limited to 14kW so we used the easygo in Lidl. That was almost 2 years ago so I presume it's changed since
As someone who would use the poles to 'manage cable' and assumed any risk was contained by the manufactured standards of the cable I have been interested in the discussion.
I am wondering:
Has eCars consider the risk of coiling? Either they have and did not consider the risk significant , or they did not consider it at all. Yes, the poles they use protect equipment, but they could hardly be any more perfectly positioned or any more perfectly designed to coil cable . A staple-shaped barrier, for example, would protect the equipment while at the same time making coiling cables highly impractical, for example.
As there is a risk from coiling your cable on the pole, and also a risk from leaving it straddled across the ground (one being a heat / fire risk, the other a trip hazard), which do we think is the greater risk? Or are both highly insignificant? (I haven't heard of any accidents from either, and you can be sure an any EV related injury would be widely reported).
Finally - is there a better way to avoid both risks, i.e. some way to safely put cables out of harms way (of various lengths and widths) while not risking overheating?
There’s going to be plenty of annoyed EV drivers stopping off there tomorrow, and I’m sure some will get caught with barely enough charge to go elsewhere
Regarding coiled cables around the metal poles, I think the risks might be a bit overstated here
They aren't zero for sure and it's probably highly inadvisable, but I don't think there's a high risk of starting a fire either (with a well maintained cable)
If you think about the case of extension leads, the risk seems to stem from the fact that you have a long length of wire (25m or more) tightly wound in an extremely non fireproof reel
So the risk is the cable will heat up under full load, damage the insulation and reel and possibly start a fire
Interesting fact, my cable reel is specced to be used while coiled in, however at a fraction of the rated capacity. It's a 3000W reel but that drops to something like 800W when using it coiled
Looking at an EV charging cable, the current is higher for sure, but the length of cable is much shorter (5-7m)
You probably couldn't wrap more than 50% round the pole and it would be loosely wound (unless you're going to hang out of the cable to keep it under tension for several hours)
And then there's the fact that the pole itself is a large hollow mass of metal. It has a lot of thermal mass to heat up, and it's in open air so it should dissipate heat pretty quickly
You'd also hope the cable insulation is a bit heavier duty then your standard twin and earth extension lead cable, what with EV chargers generally being outdoors
I think if you looked at the worst case scenario, a fairly tightly wound cable on a pole with the sun beating down charging away at 7kW for 11 hours, you might damage the insulation slightly, in which case you're down a charging cable
So in summary, don't do it. Try to keep the cable tidy without coiling it around something, but if you have coiled it around the poles before then there's no need to hang your head in shame
I like that analysis.
My wife prefers to keep her charging cable in knot than a coil so the properties of a tightly wound coil won't be met anyhow, but I'll still jam the cable down over any available pole just to prevent it from being a complete and utter trip-hazard for anybody who's looking to liberate any spare copper wire. Because I'm considerate like that.
I met him this morning, he was charging his car, and he had his cable around the pole I didn't say anything as he has enough problems and certainly didn't need me pontificating to him.
I'm more of a kick the excess cable under the car kind of person
Will there be that many though? I mean we're talking about work hours on a Wednesday, not a bank holiday weekend when every EV driver in Dublin is heading down south
And they have forewarned people, there was the app notification, and I'm sure there's a notice on Twitter and there might be an email notification soon
Since it's almost impossible to use the chargers without being an Ecars member, they've probably gotten most of their customers who will then need to replan their journey for all of 5 mins
It's an inconvenience for sure, but that's kind of all it is, not a catastrophe
I literally said don't do it in the second paragraph! 😫
Yes, this would be my cable management strategy, or try to keep it in the gutter
The cable I got with the ID.4 is pretty heavy duty, could probably handle being cooked up. I think the 1st editions got a 22kW cable for a car that maxes out at 11kW (great economics there)
On the plus side, it makes a handy anti theft system. If anyone tried to rob you while you're plugging in you could hit them with the coiled up cable*
There's probably enough mass to knock them out while you beat a hasty exit
*I am joking, don't ever do this. Your stuff is less important than your health and assaulting someone with a weapon who's robbing you is actually illegal
It makes sense to supply 3 phase 32A cables. It's the only way to ensure a customer get's 32A (7.2kW) from a single phase socket and 3x16A(11kW) from the 3 phase sockets. Third party cables put the extra cost at around €30 probably worth it to prevent people wondering why they only get 3.6kW when charging on their home 7.2kW socket.
I normally try and keep the cable off the ground but try never to coil the cable. Fortunately Tesla supplied me with a fairly short type 2 cable.
Main reason is because a local type 2 charge point has a grass area at back of unit and local dogs use it as a public toilet. They seem to like cocking their leg against the unit..😯
So I wonder does loosely coiling the cable and hanging it from a hook carry any significant risks?
Because it would be nice to have a cable hanger between the charger and car so you could keep the cable tidy and also not have to pick up a dirty cable after you're done
I have fitted an extra hook on the wall and tend to run the cable there and back to keep if off ground when charging. I would be very slow coiling the cable after I had an extension cable reel tripping its thermal fuse on me when granny charging.
Once the car is charging I couldnt give a flying F about the cables. Lads ye overthink this
I have mine going over a garden chair, keeps it clean and dry, I haven't used it in public yet, it's a heavy bugger being a proper 32A 3 phase cable.
On fb earlier
Wind up…
Not a boards member obviously 😊
And look, the pole hasn't melted or anything, one for mythbusters I think.
We'll have to wind two cables around the same pole just to be sure 😉
And wait for another heat wave as well 🤣
And cross the streams as well to add to the melty goodness........................
4 cables per box (2 X cha and 2 X CCS). 2 EVs can charger simultaneously. Not sure of the load balancing
Surprised today to notice that I was over-charged for a charging session at Park Ri in Kells Tuesday this week. I was using the 50kW charger, drawing approx. 40kW for 11 minutes, increasing Model 3 SR+ battery range from approx. 9% to 23% - works out around 7.3 kWh - but billed for 21.72 kWh. Going to contact eCars now.
Ask Pádraig Nally. The use of force to defend your property is perfectly legal.
What was the session duration according to the app?
Any chance you were plugged into the 150kW charger instead of the 50kW? - I note that 3-times 7.3kW is roughly 21.0kW.
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