Cultured lad aren't you..........
In all seriousness how could any dairy farm that size i qouted make that money
Yourself and Antonio have made great points here today and I think an awful lot of people need to take note of what they will mean to there own business and how they will need to adjust going forward. Obviously its each to there own but these changes will have wide-ranging consequences
https://www.irishtimes.com/environment/2023/09/11/tanaiste-meets-protesting-farmers-after-they-refuse-to-engage-with-minister-for-agriculture/
Its beyond me the places ifa protest horse on jockey its not even a village. Its even worse than the sheep protest in roscommon town last year one spring morning id say the locals didnt even notice there was a protest
Just read they met with the minister but they would not meet with him couple of days ago.Rte has stated 80 were at last protest in dublin
There's always a fool or a chancery or both who will leap at these things
Will u be able to take a break from stirring the pot here john for your weekly slot with your buddy matt cooper
Im a genuine farmer my name is not john
He has a point. Michael Martin should have refused to meet them. Ministers are appointed by the President at the behest of the Toiseach of the day. If they do not want to meet the appointed Minister let them take the issue to the Toiseach.
TBH IFA are behind the curve on everything for the last 2-3 years. This will not be renegotiated. Ya farm payment being 3-4 weeks later is a PITH but it was well flagged since early in the year TBF.
IFA did f@@kall for smaller beef farmers over the years....... there only interest seems to be larger commercial farmers. It has left them as a lobby group without a voting base.
The nitrates issue effect 6k farmers( and some if them minimally) the rest of the farming community is virtually unaffected. I go so far as to say that many farmers have benefited from some of McConalogue changes to SFP. For a lot of farmers it is levelling the pitch so as to speak.
the farmers you talk about who benefited are the ones being paid to do nothing with their land drawing payments and schemes with a hand full of cattle and more power to them for utilizing it to the best they can for least work, nitrates affects all farmers the land market will go into overdrive next year taking land from every sector to maintain the dairy which I’m sure you’re aware.
When qoutas went there was no mention from ifa or anyone else of land rental markets dairymen pushed land up by about 100 acre at the time i know it seems small in context of now but it was enough to push sheep and beef men of land as i said before i had the chance to rent land but i choose not but i honestly can see why a smaller farm did to stay viable but i think it was a wrong move alot of investments were done on farm ont the basis of rented or leased land which even without nitrates derogation was risky buisness
What is your opinion of a tillage farmer owning 200 acres and renting 1000 acres?
Greedy?
The land market will not go into overdrive. This is a myth peddelled by auctioneers. An acre of land at a milk price of 40c/L gives you a turnover per acre in milk production of 2400 euro maximum. Anybody bidding more than 400/ acre will probably struggle to pay it. If we see a milk price of 30c/L it's 1800/ acre in milk output.
The sums do not stack up. A replacement is probably averaging at 200-250/ cow across the average dairy herd. 500 kgs if ration at 200 euro. Culls and calves will add 2-300/ acre onto sales
Land rental prices will reduce over time. It may pay you to pay 400/ acres if you have decent capital allowances to use up, but IMO at 300/ acre (especially as SFP is mostly being paid to the land owner) even at 40c/L you will be a busy fool.
Trying to maintain production by land rental is not the answer
Give me your opinion first
Overdrive for about 12-18 months. Crash in rental coming sooner than we think. The cost of rental land + SFP is eating too much margin out of most system.
With some of the horror stories out there on land rental it's only a matter of time until we see landlords looking for a security deposit and a years rent up front
Everyone is entitled to rent land.
No sector of farming in Ireland is entitled to land over the other.
Farming in Ireland has farmers with toes in multiple agricultural commodities and sectors. The dairy vs tillage and livestock vs tillage and livestock vs dairy is being promoted by the specialist commodity speakers in our agricultural media and teagasc and little minded people with a narrow view of the world.
None of us are greedy. But a certain amount is able to sustain a person. And some think they need more than the next person to survive. And then look for artificial market interference to help their status and standing in the farming community. (Bragging rights). But being artificial from the harsh world of commerce usually leads to a crashing fall.
It will go mad for the next 18 months due to simple supply and demand. By 2025 we will know for certain what 2026 holds regarding derogation going or not looking likely it will go. Only then we may start to see some sort of a correction to the market but we’ve been waiting for a correction in land, housing and other property prices for years now and no end in sight. This might be the new norm.
Anyhow we won’t be taking on any extra land beef side will be reduced in line with 220 for the next 2 years and phased out completely by 2026 I’d say.
Id say the rent now is the new norm.There is huge ego among some farmers in the no of cows they milk i know plenty in there 60s who now milk 3 or 4 times the amount they did when they were young and able.You wud not c this in nz.When u ask these people what they are doing it for they cant answer.Most wud have families reared
It’s an identity to a lot of people if these people didn’t milk cows what would they do with their time they know no different a lot of the time and usually only stop milking when forced to do so through illness or the like.
Was at a meeting a few weeks back for a processor 300 in the room didn’t need two hands to count the people under 30 years of age but that’s nothing new.
Lots of young people look around when they come home to farm and see farmers in their 70s and think they will have a chance to possibly rent some of their ground you can never bank of that I would say at least 80%+ land is carried to the grave with people before it changes hands or is leased by the following generation.
Mind what you have and do it as best you can is all anyone can do.
Renting ground to even stay at 220kg is lunacy, unless on yearly deals as farmers work towards 170kg between now and 2026 and only rent to comply with existing rules. Keeping the 220kg is not going to happen either and by 2026, in line with current plans, the derogation will be over and there's sweet FA many can do about it. Remember it's a regulation from the environment side of the EU and not agriculture. These 2 sectors aren't exactly cuddling each other and would stab each other in the back in a heartbeat seeing as each blame the other for all their woes
Isnt the government to blame grants werw given derogation farmers thoouse and milk those cows most farmers were heavily reliant on rented leased ground.
Government pushed a policy to increase dairy outputs and exports via FoodVision, and put in place the supports via TAMS and other vehicles to help farmers achieve the wanted position. Every farmer is able to apply for grants and support isn't just derogation farmers.
I realise anyone can apply but giveing a farmer grant for 30 unit parlour who say owns 100 acres rents 300 is the farm not high risk
The thing is with 170 Kg limit into the future do lads realize the earning potential of the rented acre is reduced. Yet they are actually willing to pay more. CRAZY
Give it a rest 🙄🙄fair dues to lads in there 60s milking 3/4 times ammount of cows they did when younger …..hard work and good decision making for them there …..and they have a viable farm for a successor to drive on again …..nz comparasion is rubbish
There some looking sight them boys limping around yards killing themselves for what i know when im 60 il be in spain on a beach not going around protesting like the boys in horse on jockey today didnt c to many youngsters there.
No 1 your not a farmer ….no 2 you weren’t in the horse and jockey ….no 3 what an insulting comment to people who have worked there whole lives built there own business ,supported multiples of others and have now a viable business to transfer to there sons and daughters
When you say you are a "large dairy farmer" did you really just mean an overweight fella with 2 cows?
Return the favour.
And less of the pms that you are a genuine farmer. You are not giving off that vibe.
