He's doing his best to look after merchants and fert importers.
Farmers in derogation started to think outside the box and reduce N usage and become more nitrogen use efficient while still making a living and improving water quality. But this wasn't to be tolerated and stomped down on hard.
He never mentioned who is going to build and run these AD plants.
Big dairy farmers like the oned in the north and uk no small guy less than 400 cows will be able to finance it they will get huge grants that the ifa will loby for of courde they will bevavailable to everyone but is a 60 cow farmer going to build a ad plant dont think so big farms will get bigger
You minimise the loss by taking it earlier ff bull calf sold from dairy enterprise to beef at 2 weeks for 50 and beef calves at 150/180…..
I've answered enough now. Bit of give and take would be welcome
As long as bord bia compliant coop collects your milk ……you don’t have to submit a bps and there is nothing they can do if you don’t …..we’ll bar hound you with letters
You will still be required to obey the limits. They might not have a mechanism in place for chasing you now, but that doesn't mean they won't in the future. You could ultimately end up in court for violating environmental regulations.
When you see the minuscule fines been given out to Irish water/quarries etc in court when convicted of pollution of waterways what about it, it's a 10 times cheaper option than paying 400 euro plus a acre for ground, the current price of milk and what is predicted for next year mean, a lot of heavily borrowed units would be as well selling their entitlement and farm away at present numbers, the likelihood of 170kgs for 26 means what's the point in going out and securing ground to remain compliant at 220 when it's only a stay of execution that will cost you a fortune in rental money
If your compliant with storage ,rivers fenced not actively polluting etc they can’t do anything it’s going to be a real option for anyone badly affected and with a small bps
If water quality drops or stays low in an area the council or epa may come in on enforcement as opposed to department
I haven't got a letter in 10 years here re not submitting any land area for bps, present day the department don't give a fiddlers as in fairness when your not in receipt of state/eu funding re your agricultural enterprise, our causing any notable damage to waterways and the environment around your farm why legally have they any right to enforce their rules on you
Local Authorities have powers in this regards. You do not want them involved. They can insist you you adhere to stock limits and price it.
Boards bia QA can change conditions of approval at the drop of a hat. They have already regarding calves. It would be easy enough for them to insist you are adhering to department regulations.
Finally there is the new fertilizer register. I would not be surprised if there is not a wee condition in it that the department can withdraw your right to buy fertlizer.
If it became widespread could co-op refuse to collect milk unless you were adhering to department regulations.
You'd be as well lease the lot 😌 ...now since you're a big farmer......you'll need to give it for about 70 an acre as we don't want you to look like a big greedy dirty dairy farmer...........🙄🙄🙄🙄 get away upthe yard ya tit.
They will never stop u buying fert look at the pesticide anyone can buy tried to scare us before
Any guy with say 150 acres owned lease it 4 500 acre thats 75k then get a job like most people do 30k min aldi mcdonald s supermacs frs.105k no worries about derogation no investment for some ithink the lease cud be tax free it a no brainer.
€500 an acre would be giving it away
Theres never going to be any improvement in water quality witj current regulations all this new stocking rate will do is force lads to ababdon bps and up stocking rate
Explain to me how foregoing the BPS or any department money is going to help farmers who do that? I don't understand it. What can you do if you aren't in receipt of money?
I didn't think the nitrates were linked to BPS, but was a national thing we must adhere to
Yes. It is an EU directive which sets an objective that the State is obliged to reach. The State has discretion in how it implements the directive.
However, there is an explicit requirement in that directive that if there are nitrates in the water, then the limit of 170kg/ha must be enforced unless the State gets a derogation. Ireland currently has a derogation.
The (incorrect) assumption by some is that the department punish for breaches by cutting BPS payments so if a farmer has no BPS then there is nothing that they could do.
On a larger scale, if farmers were foregoing BPS and ignoring the 170kg limit, then the EU would take Ireland to court to force it to correct it. So it would be cracked down on sooner or later.
With all your land uve no worries mate.Over 2000 acres owned ur some boy
You should lease yours go get a job for yourself
How do the department know what area your farming and your n stocking rate, if you don't submit a bps/maps I reckon its not even recorded and reported to the EU, Irish water where ment to have the issue re sewage going into waterways sorted long ago under eu directives but they haven't, why havent they been brought to court and fined millions of euro for breaches by the commission?
Likewise as the primetime investigates on illegal quarries and the esb letting huge amounts of oil leak into waterways little to nothing has been done about it, why are farmers expected to adhere strictly to EU law when the rest of the country including semi-state bodies don't?
Already have a job with a multinational farming with the parents couldn’t justify 3 of us at home full time
Take a few deep breaths before you type your next smart-alec comment. There's real people behind every user-name here.
If you feel you have to insult people, go to the mart or the co-op store and do it face-to-face.
There would be nothing stopping them from requiring you to submit details of all your land farmed if they wanted to. I wouldn't count on it as a long term strategy
There are a few fellows on here who never heard of Moses. He was a lad a few thousand years ago, running around a hill with two big stones. And one had on it not to covet your neighbors goods.
If you have only ten acres of bog go away and do the best you can with it. Don't be looking over the ditch moaning all your life that some fellow has thousands of acres of great land.
There is an election coming up, don't fight with eachother. Fight for eachother
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Why is anyone taking this lad seriously? Take his input for what it is, A source of entertainment. He’s knocking some craic out of it, everyone else may as well do the same.
Now now ted your just being greedy .....give the beef and sheep men a chance so you don't look like a greedy ex dairy farmer........ this what you want isn't it .......or am I mistaken 😌😌
