It's not just the few euro in petrol. It's more like a thousand or even more in cheaper maintenance, tax, tolls, fuel, insurance, etc.
6 stops * 25 minutes = 2.5 hours, making €1000. That's €400 per hour net, no taxes.
Maybe you are extremely well paid and you make more in your job than that? If it was me, I'd take the €400 net per hour and go for a pee and a coffee while I am being paid 😂
Why do we need the quarterly reminder that you don't like spending time charging a car? You probably spend more time telling people in this sub forum that you don't want to stop on a journey than people with EVs spend actually spent stopped charging their own car.
We get it, but does it really matter at the end of the day. You aren't going to convince people that have already bought a BEV to trade in their car to suit your viewpoint.
Don't feed the trolls logic, it's bad for them.
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What about Warsaw in one go?
What have I said exactly that annoys you so much ?
I had to read some stupid comments, yet you seem to get annoyed over some one elses problem not mine, I never brought a phev into it, but I did defend it and I cannot be convinced of any argument against them that was made.
Look if you want to continue the EV circle jerk do so, but do not get upset when I point out something.
I think you should re evaluate your position here instead of picking on me.
How? Its only the value of petrol I put into the car? so far 140 euro
Last year 250 euro.
You explain it
Monaghan has a fairly good set up but only 3 parking spaces
There was another 50kW at the hotel next door but easygo took it away. I expect it was rarely used.
There is another 50kW+ planned for the town as part of the faster project with install probably in next 12 months. The tender winner for ROI border counties will be officially announced soon.
At peak times I think we need 3 x the number of existing public 50kW+ sites and we really should be planning 6 x now for future demand. With a 60kWh+ battery the number of times you need to public charge is greatly reduced which may be why some operators are not keen to roll out great numbers of chargers in case then don't make a profit.
How exactly did you have to read them?
Is there some requirement on the site to read every comment in every thread? If so should we all get banned for ignoring the conspiracy theories forum (or the stunning example of discourse which is the mustard forum)?
As I said, there was some humourous commentary going on regarding the impossible threshold that some ICE drivers will set before they'll consider an EV
I'm sorry that our banter offended you so deeply and you felt the need to ground us all in the reality which we apparently departed, however it is worth noting that "fun" isn't banned under the forum charter
As for getting annoyed, wasn't it you who said you were leaving because you didn't want to defend your opinions? A decree which I noticed has yet to be executed
This has been explained to you a million times, it's even in my post that you quoted
Cheaper maintenance, tax, tolls, fuel, insurance, etc.
my tax is 140 euro, any phev I had was 170 max, insurance 370 euro, tolls dont apply to me so much, but 25% less discount than an EV or something like that, my last service was 200 euro, fuel you already know, I be surprised if its any more 250/300e
How is that worth a 1000 or more.
To be fair you did not add the cost of charging for 2.5 hours @ 65 cents per kwh, thats assuming you charge for that long, not waiting to charge.
Thats a ridiculous comparison any way, I posted a link for nobby, watch that, see him at the end of the day, put a value on that.
Well, you go fill up your tank with dirty fossil fuel, queue up and pay heavily for that, and then explode it in your car, while my car charges up at home from the sun for free or at night for 5c 😂
Did you read the comment re Warsaw in context? An error on an article made it seem like a Leaf battery pack would have 700kWh giving a possible range of 4000km.
Surely you've been around here long enough to see the ever escalating arguments against EV adoption, I can't drive non stop to Dublin Belfast, I can't drive non stop Dublin to Belfast and back, I can't drive non stop Belfast to Cork and back. It was a light hearted quip about even with a 4000km range somebody would still come up with a scenario to say how the range wouldn't enough. Most people seem to have got the humour instead of decide to be offended.
I think we'll need to rename this thread to "Random EV arguments" at this rate 🙄
Can we move on now, this argument was boring as **** yesterday and has only gone downhill since then
I don't know, I think you should all lower your expectations, I would be happy with just traveling to Monaghan and back and not be stuck in a que or even better, just not have to think about charging, pre heating, or having to consult ABRP.
Thats what I said, you seem fair and humorous, I have posted many things since, I have defended my posts, I could easily let any of it slide, I thought I put forward an honest and frank response to anyone I replied to, I cannot respond to all, and I cannot defend every word or sentence, I said I was going, I spent enough time yesterday at it, I had some free time last night, and some again today,
I don't necessary follow the herd here, if anything I go against it, feck me, sometimes the crap I read, while your experience of phevs is related to what you see, for me its not related to what I read and what I post of my experience driving them.
My experience of EV's is what I read here, I see people queuing at chargers, I have seen sour faces when I was charging, I could not justify or see any great benefit in a BEV for me other than a few hundred euro in fuel, 20 euro in tax, 10 euro in tolls and some difference in service cost, why should I have to read but yet say nothing?
Am I that different to any one else in the country? I do 12000km a year, rural dweller, 3 kids, I value my free time, I enjoy boards.ie, I am not against BEVS, I am pro phev and hybrids, at a reasonable price,
I offer a different opinion, if I dont, I feel it would just go back to hauling a heavy battery around type rubbish.
Thats your best?
Thats all I said,
petrol, match, fire.
I think the bigger issue in the coming 3-5 years will be addressing concerns around out-of-warranty EVs, and watching what happens as cars are crash-repaired or have battery issues.
we’re on an EV forum, so we're relatively informed (and in an echo chamber), but the other 99.99% of general public buyers would think twice before buying a private sale of an out of warranty EV, that isn’t VERY keenly priced (we’re already seeing v v high depreciation, and that’s with cars that are still in warranty). We have a lot of cars in Ireland that are more than 7-8yrs old, so we”re about to find out.
the current thinking is simply that the poorer buyers will need to pay more than they do now, for a car with less range than when it was new, irrespective of how low that degradation is.
You do know that nobby (im assuming you mean Mark Noble) based on the you tube video you posted, has had no posts in this thread.
I think you’ve lost your bearings somewhere.
Yes, I did, he posts under what name?
Some are informed, some have opinions, be it right or wrong.
I noticed something the other day, as i am fired up and got every one else rubbed the wrong way, I will say it now.
A deal for a tesla was posted, I looked at it, much the same as every other tesla I see, I have no interest in it, ugly as my behind interior, my opinion,
The thing I noticed was 91 % battery, the guy wrote its better than the fleet average, WTF , Im thinking
why is it I get to read that in a donedeal add and not here.
Is this like most other things as far as I see it, BEVS are great, no problems, your an idiot if you don't buy one.
I changed the argument.
MarkN.
Ahh, moving the goalpost to Monaghan now. Is that a regular journey for yourself? I'm sure if you share your requirements we could help you find a suitable vehicle. Though I guess you don't actually want help and have instead just picked this as the latest reason to object.
Cheers, I was going from memory, I should remember only 1 letter after mark for nobby, good video I thought, well worth posting again.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=luk4dK2B7GY
I don't know what your talking about,
I posted I don't know, I think you should all lower your expectations, I would be happy with just traveling to Monaghan and back and not be stuck in a que or even better, just not have to think about charging, pre heating, or having to consult ABRP.
I responded to as many as possible after that, where it went from there was not my responsibility, like I said before, petrol, match, fire,
I cannot be blamed nor do I understand what your trying to achieve .
To be honest, I don’t think anyone understands what you’re trying to achieve. From the outside it looks like rambling with no substance.
Trying to help you with your difficult trip to Monaghan, where are you starting from and how often do you need to do it?
Jesus this thread is turning into a barrel of shite, I've seen less finger pointing in court 🙄
Thanks everyone for the wonderful discourses, I'll see you all next week when hopefully the bickering has ended
Exactly... Mother of god it's painful 😡😡
91% SOH for a 4 year old EV with 150k on clock seems like a good result, or are you saying that Lithium cells don't usually degrade. The two Nissan Leafs we had before the current car both were at 91% SOH at 70k and 3 years so better that fleet average probably is true.
I haven't bothered reading what the current Model 3 has after 2.X years and 68k as it still has 400 km of range which is in excess of what ever need to drive in one sitting. Leixlip-Curracloe-Leixlip planned tomorrow and Leixlip-somewhere other side of Kildare for Sunday and I'm pretty confident I don't need to plan anything apart from to ensure the car is plugged in. And if I do the car will figure it out and advice me.
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