our politicians must be the most spineless human beings we have ever had representing us... have any of them anything called a backbone...? Padraig pearse, thmoas clarke, mcdonagh etc must be wondering what they died for
They do not care one bit Charlie attended the meeting with the commissioner online like what an absolute joke, colm Markey has criticized him on Twitter over this yet he as an mep has failed to contribute anything to this whole fiasco either.
Im with lakeland and they never ask. I dont claim bps or file nitrates. No issue so far
The milk of 4 cows would cover the payment here....it's no contest.
It's plainly obvious now that the dept and gov never wanted to maintain the 250. There has been no contact between dept and commission since March. The latest submission put together by the water quality committee has yet been sent to Brussels. A video call by our Minister rather than face to face is prrof that gov never wanted the positive result. The bad actors are on our side, in our own jurisdiction.
Yep, been obvious for a long time. I'm all for lads letting them stick their few bob where the sun doesn't shine but I'm not sure it's a great long term plan. Best of luck to anyone going down that road though.
I suggested it at a teagasc meeting before and the teagasc man took it very badly. Got very upset about it altogether. You are deluded if you think you can keep the dept of ag out of your yard he said. DELUDED. That was the end of that conversation.
The IFA and the ICMSA have the chance now with the Ploughing match to make a scene and tell McConalogue to do one back to Donegal. The cameras will be there and an election is coming and he's played lots for fools.
He's proven he was never genuine.
Dairy, Beef, Sheep and tillage sectors all have genuine reasons to make it very uncomfortable for McConalogue and all Government TD’s at the ploughing. As you say, the opportunity should not be wasted.
the state of the country outside of the m50 is of very little concern to the green agenda.once the d4 luvvies can turn that into one massive national park then to hell with the rest.sure isn’t the corporate taxes going to stay flowing here forever.
as for our so called minister for agriculture.I said it a couple of yrs ago he was a green td hiding in plain sight.the most useless and incompetent minister since creed and he was shite.and still farmers will vote for ff and fg next time again.I’m no shinner fan and they’re no better but Jesus the old guard needs wiping out completely
the ministers solution is for farmers to export slurry to tillage and build more storage.
That's been put forward by a tillage group this past year.
There was a researcher from galway University had a survey for tillage farmers to fill about taking slurry from dairy farmers.
It was anonymous so any blaggard could fill it out. I filled it out but tried to be as sarcastic as I could. Any enviro could fill it out too and claim to be in tillage.
The trouble is the nitrates from the slurry will leach more on the tillage ground than if applied on grassland. But the agronomists have the minister codded about ontakes and offtakes and that no leaching occurs with tillage.
Knowing that the changes in N concentration of slurry has halved lending it uneconomic to export, and TAMS not being available in anything, you can only say that this Minister is a lying phuq..
As we approach this time of year you can figure out where things as regards production and costs.doing a few sums while I was milking this morning and I reckon at 32 cent is break even for us .there is a hefty repayment for land in that and land rent but very little wages.
If your not allowing at least 5 cent plus a litre for wages your only fooling yourself, between the father and relief Milker its roughly 4 cent a litre on the years supply and would be taking circa 3 cent a litre in "wages" myself to keep the house running
I’d have regular contact with some low-level Commission people at the off-farm job. They’re straight and I’d believe them every day of the week before the Govt here.
Farmers’ problems begin in Dublin and Brussels is used as an excuse. I remember one issue of the IFJ earlier this year had 3 different articles with Dept officials blaming Brussels for whatever was going wrong. Childish stuff.
Your break even isn’t 32 then …..
why would anyone consider building extra storage in current environment
we used to export dung for straw for years. Our farm stood still for that period and didn’t improve because lack of nutrients
It's the repayment and land rent that account for around 8 cent a litre.we are ahead of our payment schedule so we can skip it for a year or 2.costs have gone off the scale and the margin is crashing at the moment
With 220 now confirmed and 170 very much in cards in next few years our lobby bodies really need some co joined thinking …..Dutch style action is now needed .we have a useless minister for ag and a govt cornered by the greens and an opposition just interested in getting our votes
since quotas have been abolished (correctly so )our advisory bodies have landed us here with one track one dimensional advice ….kiwi systems were sold as only show in town ……load on cows worry about slurrystorage etc in a few years was the mantra they admitted they forgot about the extra calves they should now grow a pair and admit they forgot about water quality and envirnoment until it was too late ….they have gotten away very very lightly on this
It's made more obvious when you see similar carry on in the UK. They can't blame the big bad EU anymore
Kg if your taking stock as we all should do ......make sure your not selling yourself short on your costs and wages for yourself
Watch this space. IfA will huff and puff for a few days about nitrates and scheme payment dates.....then they'll meet the minister and 'negotiate' a commitment for the improvement in the payment dates on tams and biss, nothing will be done on nitrates. Farmers will just see the money and the whole thing will be sold as a win by each of the parties... as farmers continue to get f#%*ed over.
Yea. Like their recent token protests. Too little - too late. 220 was guaranteed 12 months ago according to teagasc.
There will be nothing done about the derogation cuts so why would they not just drop it again next year or the year after. This new farmers party if they can get it together is the only thing that might frighten them.
Surely now is as good a time as any for farmers to stop paying membership to the ifa, they’re an absolute farce.They’ve achieved SFA this year and it’s been blow by blow from government, processors, co ops and so on. To sit out meetings today with the minister not even to bother to meet him even though we all know it’s too late for anything to be rectified is a joke. They do not represent us one bit.
The ship isn't going to be turned re derogation it's a lost cause, a well funded reduction scheme that will take the financial sting of having to cut numbers is the last card the ifa have of securing for this years budget but its doubtful they'll even attempt this, they either make a meaningful last stand here our as a organisation their a spent force
Agree completely re the new 220 it will not be changed now and we can only hope that the people put in place to represent us may make some attempt to hold onto this new limit for the coming years as opposed to sitting idly by as they have been for several years now at this stage.
The Ifa are probably incapable of this as the decisions makers in the ifa are also directly involved in co op boards ,they have already dismissed the dairy reduction scheme .I dont think ifa have any fire left in them ,a shambles of representation for dairy farmers
220 will only be for two year, reading the commissioners response to Charlie's zoom meeting the epa will decide with their water reports for 2025 which you know won't be favourable that its nailed on the report will still point to declining waterways and with it derogation will be gone countrywide
At this stage given where milk price is at, the price of rental land and the nailed on probability derogation will be scrapped for 2026, even if the co-ops have their ear, the game is up re milk volumes going forward and trying to get a compensation package in place is the only game in town now
Anyone not now planning for 170kg N/ha in 2026 needs to get cracking. The derogation is due to expire then and there doesn't seem to be the will in Dublin or Brussels to allow Ireland keep a derogation.
