"Green" policies are destroying this country

charlie14 · 06-09-2023 05:40PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121077450#Comment_121077450

Other than the potential loss of up to 20,000 votes for FG primarily I don`t see it achieving anything much of worth.

It doesn`t apply until 2014 and only runs to the end of 2014. By that stage with the push back from agriculture and elections mid 2014 the E.U. commission will have more to worry about.

06-09-2023 05:40PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121077450#Comment_121077450

Which is why it won't be revisited until 2025

Either way I can't see it being increased

The sooner it goes down to the 170kg level the better as this would be really positive for Irelands waterways

roosterman71 · 06-09-2023 06:01PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121077529#Comment_121077529

How?

roosterman71 · 06-09-2023 06:05PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121077529#Comment_121077529

No one wants it increased, just maintained. Decision made that will be enacted in 4 months. Every dairy farmer will have cows in calf already and calves will be born past the 01/01/2024. These calves have to remain on farm for 8 weeks. Now you have a situation where breeding decisions made earlier this year mean farmers will be breaking the rules because the goalposts shifted mid game. No time has been given to allow an adjustment. To get around this land rental prices will be manic again next year, pushing other enterprises by the wayside once more.

06-09-2023 06:10PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121077596#Comment_121077596

By reducing the amount of nitrates as the current levels are making a mess of the waterways

From the EPA

Nitrate: Nitrate is a form of nitrogen which is a nutrient and essential for plant growth. Too much nitrogen in a water body can lead to the over-growth of plants and algae that outcompete and displace other flora and fauna. This excessive growth can also cause oxygen depletion and damage the ecology of our water bodies. Our estuaries and coastal waters are particularly sensitive to high nitrogen concentrations. The main source of excess nitrate in the environment is agriculture, with waste water also contributing. Nitrate concentrations above the Drinking Water Standard can pose a risk to human health, particularly for young children.

https://www.epa.ie/news-releases/news-releases-2023/epa-finds-no-significant-improvement-in-the-water-quality-of-rivers-and-lakes.php

Additional info below

https://www.catchments.ie/water-quality-monitoring-report-on-nitrogen-and-phosphorous-concentrations-in-irish-waters-2022/

roosterman71 · 06-09-2023 06:35PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121077619#Comment_121077619

How will it reduce the amount of nitrates?

06-09-2023 07:13PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121077706#Comment_121077706

Did you read the article?

Regulations aimed at reducing water pollution from nitrates mean that, across Europe, farmers are only allowed to produce 170kg of organic nitrogen per hectare on their farms.

Ireland's derogation agreement with the commission allowed a minority of more intensively stocked farmers to produce 250kg per hectare.

However, because of the water quality issues, the limit for Irish derogation farmers will now fall to 220kg per hectare.

The reduced limit will be in place until the end of the current nitrates agreement Ireland has with the commission on 31 December 2025.

So either water quality improves and Ireland might be able to retain the 220 but more likely water quality will not improve by any meaningful amount which will mean a drop to 170kg. Such a drop should see a lot less pollution from farms going into waterways.

06-09-2023 07:42PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121076901#Comment_121076901

Just on Pepsico, have you seen the latest from their Tesla truck usage. Astounding figures. The more companies producing info on their experiences of using EV trucks, the more you're going to see an even quicker transition. The sums just make it a no brainer

https://www.electrive.com/2023/08/15/pepsico-cites-consumption-of-1-1-kwh-km-for-tesla-semi/

https://vimeo.com/851092605

roosterman71 · 06-09-2023 08:00PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121077848#Comment_121077848

That doesn't say how. Can you explain?

06-09-2023 08:04PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121078022#Comment_121078022

Afaic asked and answered. Maybe its not the answer you're looking for so if you want something more by all means Google it

charlie14 · 06-09-2023 08:19PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121077619#Comment_121077619

If this govenment wants to clean up waterways then they should look to their own utility company Uisce Eireann as regards urban sewage.

For someone so interestd in EPA reports I`m surprised you missed what they had to say on the subject. Or was it just a case of it not suiting your anti-rural speils

Jizique · 06-09-2023 08:28PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121077945#Comment_121077945

The trucks only carry the Frito Lay product (also owned by Pepsi) as the liquid is too heavy. The snack product is just air.

06-09-2023 08:38PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121078131#Comment_121078131

They use them for Frito Lay also at a different Sacramento site, but the ones that are the subject of the video/article are at a bottling plant and these are used for beverage deliveries

roosterman71 · 06-09-2023 08:55PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121078033#Comment_121078033

Incorrect. What you have shown is what we all know - derogation farms will now be constrained to 220kg N/ha as opposed to 250. How is that change going to improve nitrates in your view?

TedBundysDriver · 06-09-2023 09:10PM

Looking forward to the next election when the Green's can be voted into the dustbin of history.

06-09-2023 09:32PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121078277#Comment_121078277

Given that all parties, bar none, voted to approve the climate act plans, carbon budgets, sectoral limits, etc etc, what do you think will change?

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/oireachtas/climate-action-bill-adopted-in-the-dail-by-majority-of-129-votes-to-10-1.4595471

Coolcormack1979 · 06-09-2023 10:03PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121077848#Comment_121077848

Blame farmers while raw sewage is pumped into rivers all over the place.but hey the green lunatics/devotees have their scape goat so to hell with it.as for the epa it’s a totally discredited green quango with one mission.destroy farming.

when asked at a dail committee recently to answer how in cork the water quantity had improved in the deregation areas versus town and city area the epa didn’t want to know.funny that.

charlie14 · 06-09-2023 10:04PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121078355#Comment_121078355

We`re not talking Moses coming down from Mount Sanai with laws carved in stone. In February the EU parliament voted to prevent the sales of ICE`s after 2035. March Germany kicked that into touch.

Politicians tend to be removed from reality. Approaching elections and election results often change that. Greens get the kicking they deserve in upcoming elections and whoever is left standing will run for miles from their lunacy.

06-09-2023 10:15PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121078463#Comment_121078463

Not sure why you are expecting references to urban wastewater in an article about derogation 🤷‍♂️

ps200306 · 06-09-2023 11:57PM

Thanks to the Biz Post ESG briefing for another item to add to my list of charities not to touch with a bargepole ...

€5.7bn investment in fossil fuels funnelled through Irish corporation tax regime - ActionAid

Ireland’s corporation tax regime and economic dependence on multinational firms is fuelling “staggering” amounts of investment into fossil fuels and global agribusiness, the chief executive of ActionAid Ireland, an international social justice charity, has said. Speaking on the back of a new ActionAid report, which examines Ireland’s role in financing fossil fuels and agriculture industries, Karol Balfe said that the country’s relationship with foreign investors “comes at a cost for the world’s poor” and is at odds with Irish aid priorities.

The research found that investments worth €5.7 billion in agribusiness and fossil fuels firms in the global south are funnelled through Ireland, while Irish banks held €12.1 million in fossil fuels... “At a time of unprecedented climate crisis, the world’s banks and investments funds continue to invest staggering amounts into fossil fuels and environmentally harmful large-scale agribusiness in the Global South. “This is destructive practice and truly shocking,” Balfe said.

The growth in multinational companies establishing themselves in Ireland, Balfe said “comes at a cost for the world’s poor, particularly women, who are disproportionately affected by the climate crisis.” She said, “The negative impact of Ireland’s corporation tax regime on the human rights and poverty levels of citizens of the global south, and its lack of coherence with Irish Aid priorities, needs to be questioned.”

The report coincides with the publication of international ActionAid analysis into the same issue, which estimates that banks globally provided €2.98 trillion to the fossil fuel industry in developing and underdeveloped countries in the seven years since the enactment of the Paris Agreement on Climate Change. The research also found that since the signing of the Paris Agreement, banks worldwide have provided 20 times more funding to fossil fuel and agriculture activity in developing countries than that paid in climate aid by wealthy governments to countries on the front lines of the crisis.

Flick to ActionAid's website ... yep, pictures of poor people with dead cows and endless rants about climate change. "ActionAid fights for more equitable redistribution of the world’s resources to achieve economic justice for women living in poverty and exclusion". Nothing much has changed since we were sending our Trocaire boxes to the "black babies" ... same condescending crapola. How about providing these people with some energy. (And yes I mean fossil fuel energy because that can have the biggest initial impact).

Here's the report they were talking about (pdf link). They quote Chief Doom Monger Guterres alarmist twaddle about how the "era of global boiling" has begun. Their main "shocking revelation" is about $3.2 trillion of lending by banks to fossil fuel companies. In fairness, it's over seven years. Well knock me down with a feather! Half a trillion a year is what it takes to keep supplies of oil and gas flowing:

https://www.iea.org/data-and-statistics/charts/oil-and-natural-gas-production-investment-2018-2030

WITHOUT THIS A LARGE FRACTION OF HUMANITY WOULD DIE. Can stupid greens not get this through their skulls? We all want a viable energy transition, but the greens are unique in being happy to kill everyone in the process. That's why they are dangerous lunatics that need to be got out of any position of responsibility.

US3 · 07-09-2023 01:12AM

Don't be fooled by the latest news. This is a war on freedom. From 9 months ago

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US3 · 07-09-2023 01:19AM

What happens in this green eutopia during a power cut from storm? I was without electricity for 2 weeks in 2014, 2 weeks in 2017 and a week in 2018. It goes for at least 1 or 2 days every single year. I wouldnt be able to heat my home, cook food or drive anywhere in this green future. Imagine a sick elderly or baby in the house depending on electricity for everything, bonkers!

WishUWereHere · 07-09-2023 01:23AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121078857#Comment_121078857

This clown must be the most despised politician in this current government. Tight up there on a par with Gilmore, ‘no-lie Rabbitte’ etc.

JRant · 07-09-2023 06:56AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121078781#Comment_121078781

It's scary how the likes of the UN and these charities ignore all the evidence that shows transitioning poor people away from burning wood and dried dung which they traditionally use for cooking to a lower carbon solution like bottled gas will literally save millions of lives a year. They are so blinded by their ideology that they would happily condemn these people to an early death as long as they do so without fossil fuels. The lack of empathy and humanity these people have is staggering.

Rosahane · 07-09-2023 07:13AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121078978#Comment_121078978

The underlying problem is unsustainable population growth…an inconvenient truth that is never mentioned!

xl500 · 07-09-2023 07:19AM

See the nitrates derogation cut due to not reaching targets

4 months allowed to reduce that's not going to happen

Guess who will pay the upcoming fines I'll give you a clue it won't be the farmers

xl500 · 07-09-2023 07:25AM

https://www.agriland.ie/farming-news/nbws-7400-applications-received-with-one-week-left-to-apply/

Why is this scheme required????

Our is it just another taxpayer funded handout

TedBundysDriver · 07-09-2023 07:32AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121078355#Comment_121078355

The Green loopers and their followers are the drivers of all this madness. Everyone i know bar none is itching to see them gone. The ballot box never lies and even the last time out they got a tiny percentage of the vote. That will be reduced massively next time leaving Ryan and his cronies shouting about lettuce boxes from the benches.

TedBundysDriver · 07-09-2023 07:35AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121078995#Comment_121078995

That's because the growth is coming from the third world not Europe or the US etc..

ps200306 · 07-09-2023 08:01AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121078995#Comment_121078995

Not mentioned because it's not true.

"Green" policies are destroying this country

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