I would call it common sense,
Before I stated a fact, problem examples were , traveling to Warsaw in one go, hauling a yacht and a caravan and frying an egg, thats not a great example in fairness, in this weather black tarmac could probably do it, but heh who am I to judge on peoples abilities.
These problems dont exist.
I suggested that some realism be used, a simple trip to Monaghan caused 7 people to wait at a charger, to charge and to wait there turn to charge, that is a problem in most peoples eyes, but no lets give a totally stupid example for range anxiety.
For my simple statement based on a post here, got 5 quotations, why ?, when the guy made it, he only got one response, its like that cant be part of reality for most of you here. more are popping up here as I write this
For sure it wont apply to me, do you think I'm stupid or something.
Your magical car costs nothing to run? Even with solar, at some stage you paid for your fuel, your magical car needs to get home to charge also, good luck with magic at ionity.
Jeez I didn't realise we'd gotten on the wrong side of the fun police 😉
Perhaps our banter was a commentary on the ever increasing bar that some ICE owners set for an EV to achieve before they'll buy one
EDIT: So I went back 5 pages and couldn't find this epic voyage to Monaghan. Perhaps someone could give a TLDR of the pertinent details? Was it a big charger queue or was the charger broken or what?
Unkel would praise a 50 km range leaf, saying most would never need more, its true, most of the time for most of the people 50 kms is enough, unfortunately people go over 50 km sometimes.
You see now your talking sh1te, diesel does not work for short trips, any fool in the country knows that, double the problems my behind, no one said EVS have a problem beyond range, charging and degradation, a simple petrol engine is probably one of the most reliable machines in the world.
I would love to know, your car, your usage, the cost involved and see how great your own finances work out before giving financial advice to others.
I thought your monaghan response was the best yet, now its pick on kanuseeme for pointing out some realism.
I am going, what I posted does not deserve me defending it to 10 different people on 10 different topics, it is what I said, take what you want from it.
Didn’t realise how bad Monaghan was for a charge.
3 cars charging at ecars and 4 in the Q. No other fast chargers within 50km
Shame that the 4 AC EasyGO ones in castle Leslie were all ICE’d so couldn’t get an overnight charge
My reply to you wasn't about costs, it was pointing out that the ICE driver also has to consider refuelling, either before or during the trip.
And for most of my Irish trips, I just leave home above 90% and there's nothing to think about.
I've a Kona. 32k km done since Jan. 300km round trip on motorways three days per week. 13 cent to charge at night at home. Don't use public network because why would I?
Now, gimme your numbers. I've seen you rabbit on about phevs for years but it's all fluffy nonsense as far as I can see. No hard numbers.
Re the PHEVs, much riskier as they've a small and highly stressed battery that's goes thru more charge cycles than a BEV unless you want to burn petrol. Then you've got a gearbox, emissions control systems and of course the engine. All potential trouble and weight. Geroutta that with your nonsense.
How much thought do you think an ice driver puts in to refueling their car, honestly if its any more than 5 seconds longer than the time it takes to see a petrol station and look down at the dial, then they have spent too much time at it.
no one knows what car, range, etc, I mean a 2011 leaf might be enough for you with 50 km range,
I’ve owned a 300km range EV for nearly four years and it’s been fairly painless, especially compared to some of the horror stories that you read. But I still think a lot of EV owners are overly defensive about it. I own a Tesla yet very few of my trips have made use of the SuC network because they’re not where I need them so the onboard trip planner isn’t useful for those. I do most of my charging at home but I still have to plan any longer trips. I use ABRP because it’s a useful tool. We’re getting to a point where I could probably look at an eCars map and know I have to stop at one of a few locations but ABRP still has a place. We’re also still at a place where a busy charger or broker charger could make a trip a pain in the face, especially with young kids in tow.
I don’t believe it’s as bad as kanuseeme makes out and I would never buy a PHEV but neither is it at seamless as uncle and others make out.
How much did the car cost you? I am not an expert on the kona, but what range has it @ 120 km/hr, ? Its small for a family?
202 bmw 225xe 19193km cost 21000 euro, got it 9th june, as of today done 3033 km, spent 134.5 euro on petrol (50,37.5,47), 33% of a tank left, 11.5 kwh/100km, 2.6 l /100km
1220 km of that was, 2 x family of 5 airport runs, 340 km each, 140 km Dublin port to home, and 400 km business trip. Some petrol use here and there, car sometimes starts for no reason I can see.
Back to school now, so I expect petrol average to go down and electrical consumption to go up.
I have charged maybe 10 kwh at ecars, got free parking with that.
Weren't you leaving, I thought you didn't want to defend yourself about 10 things to 10 different people? 😉
Those are good stats and it's good to see people using a PHEV as they should be used. There's a bunch around me that get plugged in maybe twice a year
However it can't be denied that there's EVs available 2nd hand in the €20k to €25k that would handle probably 4/5 of those journeys without a charge
Okay, you like your BMW and don't want a VW? That's fine, just don't park it like a standard BMW driver
My point is that if you're going to go telling a bunch of EV drivers they're insane for being okay with occasionally stopping to charge then don't be surprised when you get a similar accusation in return
Why didn't you ask the staff to get one of the ICE cars to move?
I stayed there before and the staff were brilliant. Couldn't do enough for us.
i did not stay there or post that only copied it.
I said what i said, some realism, I was not knocking others over legitimate concerns they might have ,eg warsaw, yacht
I would buy a vw phev but there expensive ,
ok i buy an ev to save 110 euro, and run what risk? I drove my car without looking % range left or slowing down to make sure I get home. thats funny
insane is a good word to use , expecting average mileage people to drop there petrol cars , buy an expensive ev to save what? ok buy a cheap ev,increasing chances of having a problem, buy a tesla , lol, to go to sandyford? I'd prefer monaghan .
This is you?
I know enough about evs and my usage not to put myself in that position ,
It's handy when your kids say play xxxx song, baby shark or whatever 😬
Also for navigation changes mid route, everything else is automatic or has a button on the steering wheel/stalk
My runs are at indicated 125 kph. About 400km at those speeds. No time for dawdling on the motorway. Your 11.5kwh/100km seems much better than the most efficient Teslas so I'd question that. So does your fuel consumption at almost 100mpg. Had a look at forums and people reckon they're getting realworld 50mpg in similar cars to yours. You must be paying around 70c for electricity. Car is new so 39500. 5 year warranty etc.
Nope, not me.
I’ve only come close to being stuck once at the very start when the network was a fraction of what it is today and when I didn’t realise that. Since then it’s been plane sailing. I’ve never had to queue for a charger, even on bank holiday weekends.
Maybe it's a case of drives 1000km and in that time used 24l of fuel and 115kwh of lecky.
So that would work out at 100mpg or 11.5kwh/100km.
🙂
100,000km+ in a Tesla M3 in 2.5 years traveling across the country. Half of that is motorways.
50% of my charging is public charging, of which I use a Tesla SuC 20% of the time. I rely mainly on Ionity, ESB & Tesla for charging. Was painful in my first year, but the high speed charging network is rapidly improving by the month, especially with new options like Circle K & Applegreen. West/North West coast still an issue.
I'll never go back as EVs and the charging network will only continue to improve. I detest the smell of diesel & petrol now and dont miss losing a day of work due to 6 monthly service intervals. Biggest cost is Im going through tyres every 45,000km. But this is offset by the fact I have more than half of my brake pads remaining.
As in the example from liamog I have to dial a number to open the car park's gate. Saying Call parking saves me the fumbling with the phone's menu. Works great on both Tesla and Android. Another command I use is Fold mirrors, just Tesla. Kids requesting songs works very good on Android slightly worse on Tesla. Navigate to .... works brilliantly on both. Why not use it?
My diesel SUV runs me about 10L/100kms in an urban setting and 8L/100kms in a motorway setting (not untypical for what it is, albeit an older vehicle), so each 10-12.5kms costs €1.70 in diesel.
My EV will use 2-2.5kwhs over the same urban route, costing (at the moment) approx 18-23c*
* not adjusted for standing charges.
Never been stuck anywhere with the current EV, range is sufficient to break any journey within the island.
Previously with a smaller EV, had to bail out to public AC charge points now and again, but at least there are plenty of which about the place.
People won't believe you because they don't even listen. They take banter as serious talk and poor examples as norm. I also have 130,000+km of electric driving in 4.5 years. That's at least 9 tonnes of petrol I didn't burn.
Just a random fact. I lent my Kona to a young couple for a drive to Kilkee and back as their hybrid was giving them grief. They loved it so much they sold the hybrid and bought a similar Kona for around 20k. They commute from near Enfield to Dublin and realized that even at the current inflated electricity rates they save enough money to pay one or two months mortgage rates in a year. Or save the money and add solar.
Well in other news, looks like your only option for a Golf will be electric from 2028
I know, you can say anything about 5 years from now and still have plenty of scope to change plans, but there's something else very interesting to note
The new Golf will be the first car on the SSP platform which is VWs successor to the MEB
So we've got a major car brand releasing a flagship car on a brand new platform, and it's a mid sized hatchback
In the era where every new EV announced seems to be a crossover, a gigantic 3 row land yacht or a luxury saloon this seems something pretty shocking
So if VW stick to the plan then hats off to them for bucking that trend (a bit, ID.4 is still their best selling EV)
Proof,
I expect the Kwh to increase and petrol to decrease for the next few months, its both combined, I would think 45/47 mpg is what I am getting, on the longer runs, or if I never plugged it in.
I don't know what your talking about with 70 cents,
Your use is completely different to mine or most average drivers, if I wanted a kona I would buy the 32000 euro version and probably not spend the difference in the time for the warranty to be up.
On a hybrid like that does it not mean it took 11.5kWh of battery and 2.6l of fuel to do the 100km?
Rather than having an 11.5kWh/100km just on the battery
How much are you paying for electricity?
I was paying 7.5 cent, I don't know what it is now, wife done it, same as every one else I suppose, maybe the odd time I could plug in at day rate, the odd odd time plug in again, its only a 10 kwh battery its not going to break me.
looking at bjorn nyland he said 20 kwh/100 km @ 125km so that means a range of 320 summer, 23kwh for winter, which means less again, maybe you would want to slow down there.
Yes both, at the moment it was front loaded with long trips, without any school runs 20km a day, its now 11.6 kwh and 2.6l, tomorrow I expect it to be 2,5 l /100km, in a months time it should be around 14 kwh and 1.8 liters, depends really on where I go.
I have one car, I don't particularly want to bother with stopping for 20 or 30 minutes 6 times a year to save a few euro, last year I only put 250e petrol into the car, so far this year 137.50, good chance I will put the same in by next june.
