30k speed limits for all urban areas on the way

Flinty997 · 31-08-2023 12:01AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121048491#Comment_121048491

It was your map, you said just go to the station and hop on a train. Funny how it ONLY ok with if its within Dublin. Classic Dublin windscreen view or what.

There's no way you blow a 2 Billion + hole on the budget (with no hospital delivered) and not effect services.

There 155 space car park a few mins walk from GOSH.

What you are doing is parroting the political party line, without understanding the issues.

Point remains, drag everything into Dublin then complain about traffic caused by doing that. We are rebuilding the city like a monument to the 70's car culture. Then are shocked when there so much car traffic in the suburbs. Much of it speeding because we don't enforce that either. Hence the blanket 30k limits for all areas.

Saying everyone get the train when the trains are dangerously overcrowded is inane. Not to mention the crime on them.

https://www.dublinlive.ie/news/dublin-news/luas-trams-more-dangerous-ever-26975763

magicbastarder · 31-08-2023 08:19AM

The train from Galway - which I assume is one of the more regular ones from the West - runs every two hours on weekdays. Which could mean a lot of waiting. Say you had an appointment at 1 and the train doesn't get to heuston till 1. You get the train two hours earlier so, and then have a near two hour wait. Then it's possible you could be waiting up to two hours before the train home leaves. With a sick kid, potentially.

31-08-2023 09:24AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121049548#Comment_121049548

Are you just trolling about siting the hospital in Tralee? That would be like moving GOSH to Truro in Cornwall.

There is some truth in your broad issue about overdevelopment of Dublin, but a specialised hospital is NOT going to be viable outside the capital, in terms of staffing. It needs the colocated hospital, it needs the universities, it needs access to broad range of consultants and other experts.

There's MORE than 155 parking spaces for families directly at NCH, on-street parking in the immediate vicinity (once all the builders feck off) and car parks available within walking distance.

And there are other ways of travelling to Dublin other than the train.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121049866#Comment_121049866

And there are other ways of travelling to Dublin other than the train.

average_runner · 31-08-2023 09:29AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121048555#Comment_121048555

In fairness its over 90 mins quicker to drive to a dublin hospital than get the train from Wexford!!

Amirani · 31-08-2023 11:43AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121048164#Comment_121048164

You don't seem to understand the purpose of the National Children Hospital at all. Paediatric care varies massively, and the new NCH isn't intended to provide all type of care to everyone. The NCH has two main roles:

main Secondary Care centre for Dublin City
main Tertiary Care centre for the country

Most of the patients will be in the first category. Primary and Secondary Care for children outside of Dublin will be provided in paediatric/medical facilities around the country, as well as in new dedicated centres in Tallaght and Blanchardstown. For the overwhelming majority of illnesses that children have, there will be no need to use the NCH, unless you live in Dublin. For serious illnesses, co-location is important, and was an important criterion in the decision - if your child need cardio-thoracic surgery for example, they'll be sharing surgeons with the adults. Over a quarter of consultants in the existing children's hospitals also work in one of the major adult hospitals (mostly James's, Mater, Beaumont).

The people who will be visiting the hospital most often will be:

Staff members
Dublin children

And staff members vastly outnumber the patients in the facility, you'll have thousands of these traveling to the hospital every single day. The majority of these won't be driving to work (many don't own cars), so being somewhere outside the M50 is useless to them. It's fairly useless for the majority of the patients who will be using the hospital too - if the M50 is convenient for them, they will be using one of the satellite centres in Tallaght or Blanchardstown.

Flinty997 · 31-08-2023 12:42PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121050678#Comment_121050678

The had problems with staff parking at this site even before they started with NCH. Which is a bit strange if none of them drive to it.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/st-james-s-hospital-strike-threat-over-staff-car-parking-charges-1.2486058

We are talking about 30kph zone in urban areas. That the traffic in urban areas is already terrible. The traffic in this location has been brutal for decades. How will this help the traffic in this area? How much more traffic will it draw into itself. How much traffic will go from the suburbs to it.

If the solution to traffic and 30k zone your proposing means they get a train into a town, then a luas out. Making a 30min journey a 60 or 90 min one. It not going to change anyone's habits.

31-08-2023 03:19PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121050931#Comment_121050931

There are more important factors than traffic when siting a hospital.

31-08-2023 04:30PM

"My car is not designed to drive at 30kmph"

https://twitter.com/20splentyforus/status/1697185518402797814?s=20

Flinty997 · 31-08-2023 04:44PM

You really notice how much better (mostly) the road surface is for cyclists there than here. Far fewer hazards in the road, sunken manholes, weird kerbs, more obvious cycle lanes.

31-08-2023 11:51PM

Im hopeful this is eluding to the 30k limit as a default urban limit nationwide, have to wait and see

https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/eamon-ryan-to-bring-memo-on-road-speeds-to-cabinet-after-spike-in-deaths-1521511.html

06-09-2023 09:28AM

Woot!

A new 30kmh default limit is definitely coming for towns, cities and residential areas

RTE news : Speed limits set to be reduced under Govt plans

http://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2023/0906/1403640-speed-limits/

This is fantastic news!

Furze99 · 06-09-2023 09:36AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121075174#Comment_121075174

Minister Chambers and FF about to shoot themselves entirely in the foot in rural Ireland. I heard him on this morning talking of drivers doing 80kph along roads with grass up the middle. He's a twat, the only people doing that sort of speed on such roads are in rally cars. There is the very odd looper but they couldn't give a crap what the speed limit is or isn't. This proposal will go down like a lead balloon in rural areas where the vast majority of drivers adjust their speed to the road. Bye, bye Chambers and FF.

Flinty997 · 06-09-2023 09:36AM

Be interesting to find out what factors are involved in the recent spate of accidents that seems to have influenced this.

06-09-2023 01:31PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121075196#Comment_121075196

Chambers speaking about the reductions here

https://twitter.com/rtenews/status/1699326989327319338?s=20

Furze99 · 06-09-2023 03:14PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121076186#Comment_121076186

You know where Chambers is going to be told where to go. People aren't fools. Trying to shoehorn recent tragedies into justification for this will not go down well. No disrespect to the young driver in Clonmel recently but no changing of speed limits there a la Chambers would make a whit of difference. It is already 50kph as you enter Clonmel on that road.

Oscar_Madison · 06-09-2023 03:21PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121075174#Comment_121075174

A great way to get one government out of power and another one in alright. This will go down like a lead balloon on doorsteps

Ronald Binge Redux · 06-09-2023 03:28PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121075196#Comment_121075196

On yer bike Chambers. The Intreo office is over that way.

06-09-2023 03:35PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121076882#Comment_121076882

This is coming out of the Road Safety Strategy 2021-2030. The speed limit recommendations are coming from a working group which has been developing the proposals for a while now

If anything its late being published

Just to note, there will be a lot more stuff coming over the next few years. You can have a look at the strategy below.

https://www.rsa.ie/about/safety-strategy-2021-2030

Its also worth looking at the 5 Cities Demand Management Study as this will also become more prevalent over the next few years.

https://www.gov.ie/en/publication/c6571-five-cities-demand-management-study/

The recommendations from that are being folded into a wider demand management strategy for towns and cities around the country

https://www.gov.ie/en/press-release/32e8c-new-national-demand-management-strategy-aims-to-reduce-congestion-and-free-up-our-cities-and-towns/

ednwireland · 06-09-2023 03:43PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121076186#Comment_121076186

there will be no revision upwards anywhere. that's guaranteed.

06-09-2023 03:47PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121077028#Comment_121077028

I guess it depends on what size of area is covered by a 30k limit

Taking Galway as an example, if it extended past BnT then it would make sense that BnT would not be covered by that limit. For me I'd say that based on 2 reasons, first its a dual carriageway and second because it has proper segregation for motor, bike & pedestrian traffic.

Where such segregation does not exist, then 30k should apply as the default limit.

It could be an additional motivator for councils to implement protected infrastructure

Oscar_Madison · 06-09-2023 06:52PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121077045#Comment_121077045

30km limits in France are right in the heart of villages - the road layout is deliberately made to focus the driver and slow down -between markings bollards and other things, it just works but it’s not as simple as placing a 30kph sign everywhere - that’s just lazy- place it in the places that really need it and change the road layout accordingly to encourage it - then place 50kph signs away from these areas leading to 60-80 when on the outskirts of the town- we just don’t do speed limits well in this country at all - I’m for safer driving but not stupid law

SeanW · 07-09-2023 03:33PM

@Oscar_Madison And you're in the vast majority (being for safe driving but not stupid law) - there are hundreds of millions of vehicle-kilometres between road fatalities (of any cause) and I suspect that even if recent months are taken into account, Ireland is still very safe.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_traffic-related_death_rate

Road safety is basically a non-issue in this country. But I wonder what some of the other parties will have to say about this in the next election.

Oscar_Madison · 07-09-2023 05:25PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121081162#Comment_121081162

That’s good to hear - I hate when people applaud lower speed limits just for the sake of it-we know that many accidents that happen throughout Ireland every year have nothing to do with a round metal disk with a number on it stuck on a pole at the side of the road.

In France there are many roads I wouldn’t dare approach the speed limit as I feel I’m going too fast for that stretch of road - in Ireland I often get the opposite feeling ie that the speed limits are set far lower than the road can actually take- where accidents are caused by excessive speed related factors, It’s not even lower speed limits we need, it’s people obeying the ones that are currently in place.

How will a person texting their friend whilst driving a car be any safer if the road they’re driving on has its speed limit reduced from 100 to 80?

they’re still going to cause carnage either to themselves or others

Flinty997 · 07-09-2023 07:07PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121081677#Comment_121081677

Why aren't all roads unlimited speed if it makes no difference.

Oscar_Madison · 07-09-2023 07:37PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121082115#Comment_121082115

Why don’t you try answering that question yourself- I’m sure you’re more than capable

Flinty997 · 07-09-2023 07:52PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121082220#Comment_121082220

I would have if I was going too fast. But I wasn't so I was able to stop and ask you.

18-09-2023 04:13PM

The Welsh 20mph (30kph) national limit became effective from yesterday. They have a ridiculously simple approach to the classification of roads

19-09-2023 01:30PM

A good piece from the Mayo News

VonLuck · 19-09-2023 01:35PM

My main opposition to a reduction in speed limits is that it does not appear to be accompanied by any traffic calming measures. If a road was originally designed for 50km/h, cars are going to find it difficult to maintain a 30km/h limit.

magicbastarder · 19-09-2023 01:48PM

cars are going to find it difficult to maintain a 30km/h limit.

(pedant hat on) - motorists. no issue in holding 30 in a car.

i see two main issues people have if they try to drive at 30km/h on an open road; first, they're simply not used to it. it's a matter of practice/familiarity/what have you. secondly, if you do try it at the moment, you're quite possibly going to be the only motorist on the road doing so, so will feel exposed by others doing 20 or 30km/h more than you (unless you're in the only car on the road, obviously). i suspect it'd be easier once everyone starts doing it.

30k speed limits for all urban areas on the way

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