What is the average salary in Ireland if we were to exclude minimum wager jobs such as retail 70 to 100k would be my guess.
I would add it's not as simple as that. It really depends on the technology stack and then the employer. I know senior devs with 10 YOE on 65k in a specific (niche, low demand) tech stack, and others on 120-130k with even less experience, on different stacks.
120K is an excellent salary for anyone and an excellent salary for a developer.
Sometimes companies will pay 10K above market rate to a rock star to keep them.
Or the big tech companies only want really strong developers
Is 120k in the top 1% of earners?
I worked this out not so long ago and I believe 80k is approximately just above the 90th percentile and 120k plus is needed for top 5. That top 1 is exclusive as it's more wealth than income derived.
Interesting. Is that revenue (ie P60) data?
Thanks.
What would be interesting is to see where the unemployed sit on that percentile distribution, when their benefits are calculated as proxy for income.
A single unemployed person in a 1 bed apartment in an average part of Dublin is getting rent suplements to the tune of 2.2k a month. Thats 26.4k a year.
Add their dole money of 11,660 and youre looking at the equivalent of 38k after tax.
Thats around 50k a year gross salary income. Then factor in free transport, medical card etc and you are up to 55k at least.
There is something amiss when an unemployed single person is sitting in the top half of FULL TIME earners in the country.
An unemployed person in a nice part of Dublin is getting even more, since the rent is higher than 2.2k in many areas.
Youre now talking 60k+ salary to keep pace with them. And lets not forget they have all their time to themselves and no work stress.
Thats worth thousands alone in my book.
And some people still think we have a Centre Right Govt. :)
Dont know why people obsess about someone getting 11,ooo a year in dole
2.2k rent supplement in Dublin for one person? I thought it was 660eur max rent per month looking here:
Unless there is some other scheme to get more help towards rent?
What about 50k - 60k a year on the dole?
Thats the point I am making.
If someone is unemployed, they dont have a max cut off of 660pm, because that isnt enough to house them in Dublin.
If the private rental cost is 2.2k, which is about right for an average property in Dublin, then thats how much the landlord is getting and its all tax payers money.
Therefore, the tenant is being subsidised 2.2k a month, plus their dole and other benefits.
I mean, amen to all that and more tbh. We are a socialist paradise, the only reason we can class FG/FF as centre right is because our left is made up of loony lefts that are so far left that it makes the centrists look right wing
I work I dont want to swap places with someone on the dole getting rent allowance and 11k a year if you do then why dont you join them. Dont understand the argument either do it or stop complaining about it
Yup, the on paper limit is almost irrelevant as everyone gets additional payments. Other than genuine lifelong illness, mental or physical, or carers allowance, there shouldnt be any reason to be on the dole that long. I've lost 2 jobs this year and am in the process of getting a third job this year (fintech yo!). I'm a college dropout too by the way, and I am autistic, so theres no reason for anyone to be on the dole for life if I can have 3 jobs in a year.
Interesting. This was certainly not the case years ago.
Is it the 2nd point below from the Rent Supplement link of mine that kind of hints there are no limits as such and all depends on the welfare officer? That's madness.
It doesnt impact me personally, but I do think its unfair on the average and low paid worker that cant afford their own home and has to pay private rent all their life, only to finish their career in a worse financial position than someone that never worked a day in their life.
If you own your home, well done and fair play to you, but there are plenty of hard working folks out there that will never get that opportunity and its them I am speaking for.
You should advise them to give up their rubbish jobs and go on the dole then if they are going to be better off no?
maybe they dont want to suckle at the proverbial teat of the middle earners.
Or the Govt could incentivise them to keep working and reincentivise the unemployed to find a job, no?
You work yourself, but if you're on less than 60k, there are plenty of folks in Dublin that dont work at all and get paid(handed out) more than you do.
Some may consider that unfair.
I am one of those people.
I dont spend my days giving a second thought to how unfair it is someone on the dole gets rent allowance and 11k write a email to the TDs the government dont care if you think its unfair I pay too much tax they dont care about that either.
And thats all good. If you dont mind, fair play to you.
But plenty of other people do think it is unfair. Especially those working that cant afford to rent a home and get stuck in house shares into their 40s, while an unemployed doley gets a forever home for free in Blackrock.
Okay and what are they panning on doing about it nothing I am guessing
Yes, the CSO call it Structural Earnings data.
The Earnings Analysis using Administrative Data Sources (EAADS) publication presents earnings statistics compiled based on administrative data sources. The primary data source is the Revenue Commissioner’s employee tax data. This is linked to the Central Statistics Office (CSO) Business Register and other data to provide economic and demographic breakdowns of employee earnings in Ireland.
Matched datasets on which this publication is based are created for each year in the period 2011 to 2020. These reference datasets allow for a detailed analysis of earnings based on the economic and demographic characteristics available, including economic sector, gender, age, nationality and region. Also presented in the publication is analysis of the distribution of earnings.
Mean and median weekly and annual earnings are detailed in the publication and in the related PxStat tables.
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Unfortunately for those of us with work ethic we plug away, paying taxes to support those others who dont want to. You've no idea how disheartening it is to see a paycheck begin with a 7 but the net pay begin with a 3. Thats the reality for middle ireland. Taxed to the hilt to fund these wasters. I have no problem, at all, with temporary benefits and with carers or pensioners etc. In reality we should pay higher amounts to those 3. But the idea of life on benefits should not exist.
2022 data out today
Median annual earnings has increased less than I expected during 2020-2022, probably due to loads of low-earners returning to work after COVID?
Jaysus, the ICT sector is flying, the median is 71.5k!!!!
Could also be a change in the ratio of part-time workers to full-time workers. If more people are opting to work part-time, that would tend to lower median earnings.
Is there not something severely f**ked up with an economy and a property market whereby the cost of accommodation uses up 2/3 of income and the fact that that is largely supported by the private sector rather than state housing.
However, what strikes me about this thread in general is that a huge proportion of Irish people are living way beyond their means and have ideas/"notions" way above their station or earnings
I'm not obsessed with them, just obsessed with not having to pay for them.
Yes, its nuts that people are paying 66% of income on rent.
Not sure what you mean by the notions though? People borrowing exccesivley you mean?
