This case had been absolutely harrowing for all involved.
Those poor babies and their families.
Words cannot describe the depths of cruelty at present here. My first child was born 6 weeks early. They are so delicate and helpless.
This vermin Lucy Letby deserves to rot
From a parent point of view you'd be concerned I'd think
Agree with this 100 percent.
a parent's concern is not proof that a crime has been committed.
Dumbest comment I've seen in a long time.
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partly because of the attendant media frenzy, i think she was seen as guilty the minute she was charged. other possibilities were never countenanced.
Disgusting comment. I would understand if my cats W. Axl Rose and Slash attacked you for your nastiness.
There would have to be another killer at large
Unlikely scenario but I'll watch this space to see if there's an appeal
Your cats have tats?
While it would appear beyond reasonable doubt that she did it, its seems to be the weight of circumstantial evidence that led to the verdict rather than any specific "gotcha".
Seems to be she was on duty for all the events
And then a few bits of dubious evidence , Facebook searches, notes and she was standing over a baby in distress
Was there anything else?
As a law expert said in an interview about the case: 100 small arrows of evidence pointing towards her and not a single one pointing away from her is actually statistically stronger evidence than one single gotcha moment.
Even if the conspiracy theory types cling to that lack of a gotcha moment to argue that she's innocent
Crazy cat lady image exists for a reason. Psycho women tend to go for cats, mentally healthy ones for dogs.
I'm not among the conspiracy theory types anyhow
I believe she did it and can't see any other explanation
However I believe people are foolish not to reserve ultimate judgement pending a possible appeal or any other scenerio that may get thrown up in the near future
Seemingly, however, there were several similar incidents where she wasn't on duty. These were then simply excluded from investigation. It's all highly questionable. It seems that they just sought to fit their particular narrative as to what happened.
I guess we'll find out if there's grounds for appeal
Hitler loved his dog. Does your argument still stand??
As Risteard says 'she was on duty for all the events' isn't really the gotcha people think it is.
It's a self fulfilling data set - by definition if you only look at the events she was there for, then clearly she was there for 100% of the events. There were other neo-natal deaths that she wasn't there for which are ignored and put down as natural causes. It's one of the fundamental issues that various statisticians have with both the case against her and with her defence team.
people should look into the Barry George case. he was wrongfully convicted for the Jill Dando murder. massive publicity & pressure on the police to "put it to bed". she was the face of their Crimewatch program.
he was a Walter Mitty, oddball, loner type, had a few convictions, violent towards women, worked briefly for the BBC. he also had a poster of Jill Dando on his bedroom wall i recall. the piece of evidence that clinched his conviction was a microscopic bit of gunpowder found on his clothing. could have been left by arresting police, or as we know from the Birmingham 6 a totally innocent pursuit like playing cards.
yes indeed all these little arrows were pointing, but ultimately they were not considered sound and he was freed.
i dont think so. what if there was a "systems failure" of sorts that led to these babies getting the wrong treatment. i know what people are thinking "that's worse than having a killer on the loose!" it is as it would totally shatter public confidence in the NHS. the ramifications would be much, much wider.
could the person(s) in charge decide to cover it up and blame a nurse? surely not ...
I think she is guilty, but as you said, let's see if there's an appeal or anything else comes to light in the future.
With regards to her standing over a baby in distress, I've seen plenty of nurses (and doctors and other health workers come to that) standing over patients frozen staring when they should be intervening. Not just newly qualified nurses, old timers like myself.
I've also worked with nurses who analyse to the nth degree their care (and others care) of patients, and nurses will often have reams of handwritten notes about their patients in their pockets. Over analysers, or those who's life revolved around their job maybe would keep them.
Searching for patients details I've no doubt isn't that unusual either, I worked with healthcare workers who'd look people up on Facebook or Google.
As I say, I'd be extremely surprised if she was innocent, but the above behaviours happen.
Are you forgetting the notes she wrote? They have to be the main reason she was convicted.
Babies dying on a regular occurrence from being a rarity event at this hospital ...probably due to excellent care provided to be rare baby death events up to then...the competence of nursing care including that of letby surely was questionable back then...a crime doesn't have to be committed for a baby to die,negilence and incompetence do contribute.
Oh absolutely, and the biggest reason I'd be thinking she is guilty, my post was really just saying the highlighted behaviours aren't that out of the ordinary. Not good practice but they happen, with good, bad and indifferent nurses.
The problem is that we can't just assume the context in which they're written. I'm not convinced that they amount to any kind of confession. To my mind it is as yet unproven that any murders were committed, much less who committed them.
That's very unfair comment ..to cats .
A BBC expert who has worked with murderers and serial killers said they're not proof of anything except stress
That's what first got my attention
The word EVIL in the notes points to her killing them on purpose in my opinion. if she said I did this, i killed them, it wouldnt be as bad, she could have meant she killed them by being an incompetent nurse.
Usually called crazy by nasty American kids on the telly , but are they just lonely old ladies?
You are scratching around here.../s
Yep . On Panorama .
But did you see how the reporter was setting up a " did she or didn't she " balanced sort of programme and then when the jury came out she completely flipped over, ignoring everything and calling Letby evil , like she hadn't believed it really until then?
That was a very strange episode, left me questioning her conviction at that time .
I have since read more about it and agree with the verdict and think unless something else comes out of the independent review she will serve her time .
It was a difficult one with a lot of leg work by the police and prosecution and a long time for the jury hearing and weighing the evidence none of which taken individually was definitive , but taken together was pretty incriminating .
She is not insane either , she was cold calculating and used her training in a horrific perversion of the role of a caring nurse .
