Seeing talks of Wagner trying to organise march 2.0 online. God I'd love one that hit Moscow.
However the ever more realistic headline appeared this morning too:
https://newsrnd.com/news/2023-08-23--quite-deplorable---wagner-employees-allegedly-loot-prigozhin-s-headquarters.B1kdc-Ea2.html
'Quite deplorable': Wagner employees allegedly loot Prigozhin's headquarters
So while some are talking about avenging their fallen leader, the rest are in like rats to clean the place out.
If I had to guess, I'd say Wagner will just continue to become more and more under control of the Russian government. If they decide to go the other way, they don't really have a lot of options for retaliation. A potential main source of potential independent funding in the billionaire Prigozhin is now dead. They'd have to tramp back from Africa. They're mercenaries more than ideologues.
Irrelevant what Pence says, Trump will be the nominee and we know he's a fan of Vlad and says he'll end the war in one day
It speaks to how loopy the American Right has become that it finds itself chumming up to Russia out of a sense of kinship, giving both have such aggressively illiberal, "Christianity" focused perspectives.
But given Ramaswamy is also big into just doubling down on fossil fuels like he's a Captain Planet villain, he's obviosuly a few sandwiches short of a picnic.
While I'm sure it's not true, I'd love to think that "Bring flowers and candles with you" is Wagner code for "come armed to the teeth, **** gonna kick off!"
Might be just candles for Papa -
Some chance of Trump ending the war. This is the guy who first of all paid a porn star for her services and then had to pay her again in damages, a complete fool that guy is!
Ramaswamy compared support for Ukraine to the ill-fated U.S. military interventions in Iraq and Vietnam.
What kind of an idiot uses this as an example. It's very very clearly Russia who are in the US role in those wars. If anything it's a reason to support Ukraine.
Norway already has much of its F-35 fleet up and running and its entire F-16 fleet of 72 aircraft decommissioned, so I'm guessing that if push came to shove, they should be able to provide more. Still, 12 aircraft is pretty much another squadron's worth of F-16s, so that's always good to see.
I wouldn't be so quick to write off Wagner.....over the years, Prigozhin had built up a very loyal military network. Remember Wagnerites were treated way better than any conscripts or mobilized Russian soldiers. The regulars were paid, clothed, armed and most important, well led. And he protected them as much as he could, he brought in convicts to take the edge off Ukraine defenses, cannon fodder so to speak, but every convict killed, was a Wagnerite saved. Plus there was no love lost between the Wagnerites and the regular Russian army, who may now be tasked with eliminating the remaining Wagnerites. So they have nothing to lose, and if it goes down to the wire between the army and Wagner, who knows how that would turn out? The army showed no great enthusiasm for stopping Prigozhin on his way to Moscow. Definitely, if the welcome he got in Rostov was anything to go by, many would have supported him.
I think that one of the reasons Prigozhin and his pals were in Africa was that things were not going well for them there in some places, and they were in danger of losing some of their " franchises", and being kicked out, and they were trying to remedy the situation.
I’m surprised it took that long for him to get clipped. If you’re going to come at Putin like he did you’d better kill him or you’re days are numbered. Did he think he was safe flying around Russia in his private jet?
There isn't a single U.S. soldier officially on the ground in Ukraine. Sending U.S. troops to Ukraine is opposed by pretty much every main political voice in the states. The whole thing a couple of years ago was to bring the boys back home, and that's what happened. Now, the script has been updated to not only don't send men, but don't send materials that the U.S. wasn't even using or was likely to use. Don't spend a fraction of the U.S. defence budget to knock out a major geopolitical rival. Madness. It has only to do with the idea of if Biden and the Democrats are for something, then it must be opposed, no matter how sensible.
It's very odd. A non paranoid Russian mobster.
Although i think this is highly unlikely but could Prigozhin have staged this as false flag himself…… he gets himself on the flight manifest (someone else taking his place), he’s has the plane rigged to go off; plane crashes and burnt remains of a man found with same build as him ……….might be a way for him to evade Putin etc, again I think this is unlikely and he’d be eventually found by someone at some point anyway.
Without leaders. Kill the snake cut off the head, etc.
Who is that will step into the fold?
The top 3 were on the flight apparently.
As has already been posted here, and I'd be inclined to agree with it. It was not Prigozhin who got cold feet, but one of his backers ( who if this is true still exists ) who pulled the plug on him. So back to plan "B", attack Shoigu and Gerasimov instead.
UA did a hit on Crimea and got away scot free
Not so long ago, there were reports about Ukrainian soldiers undergoing specialized training with the likes of the SAS-SBS units. This could be the first proof of that. And that sounds just like the kind of operation they would be involved in.
And they have considerable capacity to exact revenge in different ways.
They have always been nervous around Putin, that's the way he likes to keep them, nervous, bordering on terror. And currently, the needle on the nervous meter is hitting the red line on the terror side.
Have the very considerable advantage of being ethnically and linguistically similar to citizens of Russia. Can fly under the radar etc. Must put the fear of God into Russian security when they have to consider every single person who is ostensibly Russian, as potentially hostile.
He also called climate change a hoax
Yeah, but they'll have to look both ways now won't they - at their leaders machinations and Wagnerites, never mind Ukrainian hit squads.
I think it's clear he did not have as much support as he thought he had. If he had he'd not have stopped the march on Moscow. The idea that he stopped to avoid shedding Russian blood is a canard considering his troops had already killed 15 airservice men. Putin by decapitating the Wagner leadership has reasserted his authority and sent a shot cross the bow to any would be future dissenters. The foot soliders won't do anything ,they will follow the coin. A likely new Wagner boss will be put in place who is compliant.
The director of the CIA said it best:: "for Putin, revenge is a dish best served cold"
He's literally using russian double speak
Plane was shot down it seems.
@nacho libre
In this case, I'd say the revenge was served still fairly warm, maybe could do with a quick 30 seconds in the microwave. The insurrection only happened barely two months ago. There's no way Prigozhin had dropped his guard two months later or that Putin had thought that Prigozhin had relaxed. If Prigozhin was on the plane that blew up and crashed, some safety device he thought he had in place against Putin failed.
WTF is Lindsey the Trump-Lickspittle Graham doing in Kyiv? His master's master won't be happy with him bigging up the Ukrainians
A Military analyst on sky news said as much. Said an explosion inside the plane is very very unlikely. One of the wings was detached , he reckons it was shot down.
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