Nurse Lucy Letby found guilty of murdering seven babies

Mrs OBumble · 22-08-2023 11:07PM

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Why? Hospitals by their nature ate not private places.

Care homes would be a lot better places if they staff thought they were being observed, too.

dbas · 22-08-2023 11:19PM

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I feel that you can't be recording people dying, as a policy. It just doesn't sit well with me. The recording of the moment of death of every person that ever dies in a hospital, in order to keep staff on their toes is just unconscionable

o1s1n · 22-08-2023 11:25PM

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Would you want to be recorded in a vulnerable state?

dbas · 22-08-2023 11:34PM

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/aug/22/nurses-rocked-core-lucy-letby-murders-fear-impact-public-trust

It must be tough for all medical staff to have 'one of their own' commit such horrific crimes

Mrs OBumble · 22-08-2023 11:41PM

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If it protected me from staff being able to abuse me without consequences, then yes, I'd be fine with it.

Some (NOT all) carehome staff behave appallingly.

22-08-2023 11:43PM

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A fella called Lord Longford campaigned tirelessly against her conviction. And a woman (can't remember her name) did too, but then met Hindley and did a 180.

kirk. · 22-08-2023 11:44PM

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You've got some weird ideas going on , talking about your child and nurses killing people

bejeezus · 22-08-2023 11:45PM

Everyone deserves dignity. That includes privacy when needed.

22-08-2023 11:51PM

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Clowns trying to be edgy. If society has that effect on individuals why aren't far more of us baby killers?

I'm seeing people say too that anger towards her is, like, so stone age. Just anger - not torture fantasies, mere anger. Anger is normal - some people just want to look different.

There was a woman in the US called Lisa Montgomery, who carried out one of the worst things I've ever heard of - she cut the baby out of a pregnant woman. Then you learn about Montgomery's childhood - raped constantly by her stepfather, pimped out to other men, beaten to the point of head injuries, degraded. All of this supported, and much of it participated in, by her own mother. 😪

Would Montgomery have carried out her horrific crime if she had a normal childhood? I seriously doubt it. I think her scum parents created a monster. That is certainly a case where other factors come into play.

But Letby? No such mitigating factors have been forthcoming.

22-08-2023 11:52PM

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Good god, speaking of edgy.

bejeezus · 22-08-2023 11:58PM

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They’re private enough to allow you to use the loo without being recorded. And thank f for that .

kirk. · 23-08-2023 12:03AM

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Don't know what 'edgy' is about probably some trendy remark

Its complete nonsense suggesting nurses would kill letby

23-08-2023 12:29AM

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It means needlessly provocative and tasteless. Why are you bringing dbas's son into it? He just mentioned his own experience with neo natal nurses and how this woman has brought their vocation into disrepute. There's nothing weird in the slightest about that. He's speculating that such nurses would be enraged over Letby, and it makes sense. Already nurses worry about public trust.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/aug/22/nurses-rocked-core-lucy-letby-murders-fear-impact-public-trust

23-08-2023 12:34AM

I think this is just scummy. Even weaponising THIS case for identity politics?!

https://www.glamourmagazine.co.uk/article/lucy-letby-white-priviledge-opinion

Who suspects nurses to be more likely guilty of infanticide if they're not white? Ffs. Actually the most famous cases of health worker patient homicide all involve white killers (Allitt, Shipman, Charles Cullen).

kirk. · 23-08-2023 12:59AM

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He mentioned his child and nurses killing letby in the same post

23-08-2023 01:05AM

So?

Long Sean Silver · 23-08-2023 07:42AM

if she can handle the boredom, her life in prison may not be as awful as some folk like to paint. after all she is now a celebrity of sorts and many other prisoners (not to mention prison guards, visitors, inspectors) will be fascinated by her. i mean heck just look at this forum and you can see the morbid interest/fascination writ large.

doubtless she will get dog's abuse, but her mind is so far gone most of it will just wash off her, and over time that will dwindle as she becomes integrated into prison life. she will be protected, and she will have endless days & hours to ruminate over what she's done, to try and justify it and God help us relive it in her own twisted way.

Not the 'er "life" any sane person would choose, but as the fella says "you make your bed you lie in it"

handling the boredom will be her biggest challenge.

Risteard81 · 23-08-2023 07:49AM

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Slopping out is illegal, and rightly so. Prisoners have human rights - as do all humans.

Long Sean Silver · 23-08-2023 08:05AM

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in fairness most posters here have little/no understanding of prison life. many imagine a fantasy world of what they would like and not what actually happens on the inside. perhaps it's their way of trying to console themselves that "justice is done".

SEPT 23 1989 · 23-08-2023 08:17AM

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When the time comes to have homecare in my parents house there will be hidden cameras monitoring their carers

23-08-2023 10:05AM

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There are several issues with that and you would end up being sued and your parents would lose any support they get have you considered that your parents at the time might be psychically frail but mentally competent, you would be invading their privacy you would have no right to do that to your parents.

Cameras would only have stopped some of the abuse they wouldn't have caught the overfeeding, the air bubble, the insulin she gave the babies.

kirk. · 23-08-2023 10:11AM

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Amirani · 23-08-2023 10:19AM

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In modern hospitals, most clinical communications happen through mobile phones, and it's typically personal phones. WhatsApp groups and certain dedicated apps are used to notify of admissions, give patient updates etc. This is certainly the case in Ireland anyway, presumably the same in the UK.

It's a bit ignorant and out of touch thinking its a problem that doctors and nurses are using their phones in hospitals

Wanderer78 · 23-08-2023 10:21AM

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...and the odd bit of suicidal ideation, shur id say it ll be a walk in the park for her!

ArmaniJeanss · 23-08-2023 10:30AM

I'd have thought ICU is generally a quiet shift, so don't see that the texting is an issue.

ICU is extremely sick people who have '1 to 1' or '1 to 2' care at all times. Most of that time there will be no issue, people asleep/comatose etc. So whilst the job involves constant monitoring/checking etc there will be a huge amount of downtime. Just stop texting/surfing when the red lights/beeps go off.

Conversely the texting would be more of an issue in a non-ICU ward where people are less seriously ill but the staffing might be on a '1 to 15' basis.

23-08-2023 10:37AM

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The nurse was also on Facebook constantly and the text messages were a out her private life. I presume staff are not using their private phones for patient information?

Shelga · 23-08-2023 10:48AM

I feel so sorry for her parents. I only realised yesterday that she’s an only child.

They seemed to absolutely dote on her- if anything, too much so- for example putting a notice in the paper when she graduated from university. But millions of kids are considered godlike by their parents and they don’t end up murdering babies.

Their lives are completely destroyed, and by all accounts, they’re perfectly normal, nice people. It’s all desperately sad.

Wanderer78 · 23-08-2023 10:49AM

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...wouldnt surprise me in the least, if personal phones are being used a lot , particularly in our own health system, the failures of our internal it systems is well documented

Amirani · 23-08-2023 11:20AM

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How is a supervisor to know whether phone use is related to private life or related to work?

Personal phones are used for sharing some patient information alright (typically de-sensitised, pseudo-anonymised), in Ireland at least. Would mostly be through secure apps, though WhatsApp etc. would also be used. The HSE doesn't give out work phones en masse to clinical staff, so there's no other way to efficiently communicate.

Here's a study with some of the use-cases for example: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7728531/

"Two main themes from the thematic analyses included personal smartphone use for patient care and implications of personal smartphone use. Nurses used their smartphones to locate information about medications, procedures, diagnoses, and laboratory tests. Downloaded apps were used by nurses to locate patient care–related information. Nurses reported improved communication among health team members and used their personal devices to communicate patient information via text messaging, calling, and picture and video functions. Nurses expressed insight into personal smartphone use and challenges related to distraction, information privacy, organizational policies, and patient perception."

23-08-2023 11:31AM

The phone thing it's not using phone per say its the amount of time on them in a work situation I look at my phone at work it's a bad habit. The flip side of expecting professionalism from staff is that the unit, hospital, medical facility, home ect are professional in how they are managed.

Nurse Lucy Letby found guilty of murdering seven babies

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